Declaration of War for Tiarnan
The Great Quail
quail at libyrinth.com
Tue Oct 30 15:39:33 CST 2001
Tiarnan writes,
>Bin Laden is not the Taliban. The Taliban are not Bin Laden. It seems,
>among the many Kute Korrespondences and dodgy elisions, that
>differences
>between the enemies are being, ever so slowly, smoothed over.
First of all, I am sorry, I misunderstood. However, I don't think
that the distinction is really all that significant. Osama bin Laden
supports the Taliban financially and spiritually; al-Qaeda and the
Taliban share numerous resources (and, let's face it, probably
members!); and the Taliban have publicly supported him both in words
and deeds. What more can you ask for? The Taliban have chosen to
stand by this man and what he represents; and a very, very vocal part
of that is Jihad against the United States.
I have not read the "dossier," however; but thanks for the link. I
certainly see your point, and I will read through the public evidence.
>The Taliban
>offered Bin Laden sanctuary. That does not inculpate them in the World
>Trade Centre attack.
On that point, I disagree, for the same reasons I enumerated above.
>As to bin Laden's declaration of war on the US... I've read it with
>interest. His main beef with the US seems to be their occupation of
>Saudi Arabia on behalf of the hopelessly unpopular and corrupt Fahd
>dynasty.
Which is a fair "beef." It's all the other stuff I have an issue
with, such as the call for our destruction, the withdrawal of support
for Israel, and so on. He has set himself up to be some sort of Mahdi
figure, possessed of the desire to speak for all Muslims. While his
beef may have validity, his methods are inappropriate, to say the
least. I don't care if I agreed with 100% of what he said, lies and
manipulations notwithstanding. He's an evil, psychotic fanatic, like
so many the world has seen since the dawn of time. (And yes, some of
them Americans.) So while your label of "Satan du jour" certainly has
some punch, there is also the very real fact that he *is* a "Satan du
jour."
>They evoke powerfully negative responses from
>those they treat so badly, these people bomb cafes, they act like tyrants,
>they kill civilians and call it war, they commit atrocious, inexcusable acts.
It sounds to me like you are explaining the acts of terrorists by
saying they are, essentially, our own responsibility. While I know
that view -- which has a bit of truth in it, of course, after all, no
one acts in a vacuum -- is currently popular, I think it may be
overly simplistic. Power struggles between "corrupt" secularized
leaders and more "pure" fundamentalist elements have marked Islamic
politics from the very beginning. Also, the concept of violent Jihad,
which also makes no distinction between civilian and military
targets, is also a concept fairly well known in the region.
Additionally, the separation of church and state is not an idea that
is endemic to Islam, and so the political waters are inextricably
muddled by religious factions and all that entails spiritually,
morally and ethically. The fact that the United States empowers
certain regimes may be unfortunate, but it is hardly the root cause
why some Moslems suddenly are driven to "bomb cafes, act like
tyrants, kill civilians and call it war, and commit atrocious,
inexcusable acts." (Quotes slightly altered.) It is overly simplistic
to equate their actions directly to our policies.
And, although I know this is going to be controversial, I do think
that part of their hatred stems from seeing us as the antithesis of
their religion. While I think that glib statements such as "they hate
seeing Brittney Spear's belly button" are fairly facile, I do believe
they facetiously contain a kernel of truth. Our society represents
the worst to them, the furthest you can go from Islam -- after all,
unlike the heathens, we are still nominally "People of the Book." And
therefore, seeing that we *still* behave like this makes them
furious, because we have *rejected* their way. And our way of life is
indeed a threat to them; it represents, to them an
anti-fundamentalist virus that infects the people they wish to
control through religion. You can heap all the invective you'd like
on Western oil companies, capitalism, dirty politics, and so on; but
there's certainly some truth in the idea that the freedoms we do
strive for represent the death of their world-view. And that fear and
loathing feeds into the cycle of hatred and Jihad.
>And people get caught in the middle. This is tragic. It's been going on ever
>since we descended the trees (or the sky-ladder, depending on your beliefs).
Sigh. Sad, sad, sad and true.
>What is remarkable is the babble that ensues when apologists claim that one
>or other is right, that the attack on the World Trade Centre was a vicious
>assault on a beautiful city (true) in an innocent, freedom-loving country
>(false).
False? Well, I don't feel like debating innocence; the WTC workers
and firefighters and jet passengers are no more or less innocent than
the Afghani civilians we are killing. Both just wish to get along
with their day, you know? And you and I differ in that I do believe
we love freedom here. We don't always achieve it, but we love it, and
hold it up as an ideal, from Thomas Jefferson to Martin Luther King
to the drag queens preparing to party down in the Village tomorrow.
Freedom is bigger than one person; any single person is too flawed to
really embody it. But we try, we Americans, like so many other
countries also: the people try.
>It is as if one person has been injured, one contestant must stoop,
>stunned, before springing back into the global mud-wrestling match.
I think that is very insightful; but it is the nature of people to
place their identity in a larger, symbolic body; granfaloon or not.
>In its anger, and its foolishness, America has decided to personify its
>grief.
Identifying the perpetrator is not a personification of grief. But of
course, we have differing ideas on whether or not bin Laden is a
primary motivator.
>It has named bin Laden as the Satan du jour. Unfortunately, the US
>army, designed to wage war on the Soviet Union, is sadly ill-suited for this
>kind of job. So bin Laden must be given a country, and who better to chose
>than the hapless (and barbarous) Taliban, the world's most publicly reviled
>regime.
You make it sound as if we placed bin Laden in Afghanistan! We "gave"
him no country. (Excepting the fact, of course, we supported the
mujahadeen against the Soviets.) I understand that you are speaking
metaphorically, but it still seems glib to word it so incautiously.
>So the people of Afghanistan are subsumed by the Taliban, and the
>Taliban are subsumed by bin Laden. Bin Laden must die, and so therefore the
>Afghan people must die too.
Ah, but the Afghan people are not identified as the enemy, and are
not made deliberate targets. You think this ideological distinction
is unimportant -- which is probably is to the dead Afghanis, I am
sure -- but I do not think it can be so casually dismissed.
>This is terribly unjust, as unjust as the attack on the World Trade Centre.
>Innocent and ignorant people will die, so that these prehistoric monsters can
>continue clawing at one another, incapable of communication. The hundreds of
>years old United States, in all of its indisoluble continuity, and the
>millenarian war-hounds of Islam.
That's quite poetic; but despite being emotionally moved, I can't
find myself believing the conceit that we are two moral equals
refusing to communicate. I think that does not reflect reality; I
think it reflects an emotional state of despair. I wish there was a
way to cripple the networks of the Jihad and make countries afraid to
harbor them -- without violence, and without withdrawing support for
Israel.
Best,
--Quail
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