some thoughts on day 1

[Samuel Moyer]

Don't confuse leaders with a people...
and we all get caught up in rhetoric...
I don't support Isreal, but do support the Isreali's right to exist as a
nation and a people.
Got a real good friend living in Jerusalem, he is Palestinian... and I wish
the U.S. would take a better position in all of this...but ... end support
of Isreal?  what do you mean?  Sam
----- Original Message -----
From: "Manuel V. Cabrera Jr." <mandelc at ucla.edu>
To: "David Morris" <fqmorris at hotmail.com>
Cc: <herlahp at inet.uni2.dk>; <pynchon-l at waste.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 1:20 PM
Subject: Re: some thoughts on day 1


>     We should stop supporting Israel because it is a corrupt and
repressive
> government.  It's occupation of Palestinian territories is brutal: Gaza is
> surrounded by a giant barbed-wire fence; it is divided into sixty-some-odd
> communities themselves surrounded by fences; no Palestinian may pass from
one
> community to another without security checks, while Israel jews are
allowed free
> passage;  this latter fact has included ambulances carrying Palestinian
patients
> in ciritcal condition, resulting in numerous deaths;  the government of
Israel
> indiscriminantly kills, imprisons, and tortures Palestinians; it
> indiscriminantly siezes land and uproots the residents thereof, only to
build
> jewish settlements;  Palestinians are denied education on a regular basis
(e.g.
> all schools in the Gaza Strip being closed for three years during the
> nineties);  Palestinians are not allowed to own or lease land in Israel;
Israel
> chokes and starves the inhabitants of the occupied territories (e.g.,
while the
> vast majority of inhabitants in the occupied territories are Muslim
> Palestinians, eighty percent of the little public funding that goes into
those
> areas benefits the small minority of jewish settlers; Israel assasinates
> peaceful Palestinian leaders, journalists and clerics without any
> accountability;  Israel covers this up through its infamous policy of
screening
> all materials gathered by any journalist.  It is nothing less than
apartheid.
> Why do you think the international community, with the sole exceptions of
the
> U.S. and Israel, have universally condemned Israel since the conquest of
the
> occupied territories in 1967, starting with U.N. 242 and followed by
dozens upon
> dozens of U.N. resolutions thereafter?  THAT is why we should end support
of
> Israel.
>
>         mandel cabrera
>
> David Morris wrote:
>
> > I guess we should just back away from Israel now that we know how MAD
some
> > terrorists are at us...  Is that your suggestion?
> >
> > >From: Arne Herløv Petersen
> > >
> > >Feeling revengeful is natural, but I think it would be wiser to stifle
that
> > >impulse. In stead of learning from Northern Ireland and Israel and
> > >retaliating - and get into ever widening loops of revenge and
retaliation -
> > >it might be better to learn from South Africa and try to get on with
our
> > >lives somehow.
> >
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