pynchon-l-digest V2 #2081

[barbara100 at jps.net]

Let's get down to the nitty gritty, shall we:

"There ought to be big dramatic puases here.  Weissmann's head ought to be teeming with last images of creamy buttocks knotted together in fear (not one trickle of shit, Liebchen?) the last crutain of gold lashes over young eyes pleading, gagged throat trying to say too late what he should have said in the tent last night...deep in the throat, the gullet, where Blicero's own cock's head had burst for the last time (but what's this just past the spasming cervix, past the Curve Into The Darkness The Stink The...The White...The Corner...Waiting...Waiting For--).  But no, the ritual has its velvet grip on them all.  So strong, so warm...." (GR 884)

I wonder if our fellows know what Pynchon's talking about here, who he's talking about.  By the looks of some of the stuff I read, I sadly doubt it.  Sometimes they make me so mad I wanna shout (Eat shit, you little prick!), but I read this and my pulse races so fast I can feel it thump in my neck, and it thumps pity for the poor stupid innocent souls still caught up in the velvet grip. 

What do you know! Another oxymoron!  That Pynchon's really something! 



----- Original Message ----- 
  From: barbara100 at jps.net 
  To: pynchon-l at waste.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 12:35 PM
  Subject: RE: Re: pynchon-l-digest V2 #2081


  I don't know much about politics or history, but I know words, and this idea that one can 'Fight for Peace' is an oxymoron.  It's also about the STUPIDIST thing I've ever heard. The truth is only 'sad' because so many of us still 'believe' it     

  Original Message:
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  From: Doug Millison nopynching at yahoo.com
  Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 09:45:06 -0700 (PDT)
  To: pynchon-l at waste.org
  Subject: Re: pynchon-l-digest V2 #2081



  >The sad truth of human relations, however, is that
  you cannot get peace 
  >without fighting for it. 


  No, the undeniable truth is that you cannot get peace
  by fighting.  You only get fighting.

  Pacifism does not equal cowardice, either.  Ask
  Ghandi, the Rev'd Martin Luther King Jr., Cesar
  Chavez, and the many brave supporters of pacifist
  movements that have managed to create peaceful change
  in the face of violent oppression.  Or the courageous
  protesters who have stood up, nonviolently, against 
  brutal police and military forces in the
  demonstrations against globalization. I guess you
  could call them "naive" -- although their action and
  ideology show a sophistication born of the knowledge
  that violence begets violence, that war is a suicidal
  embrace of conquerer and conquered -- but you
  certainly can't call them cowards.  And shame on The
  Economist for suggesting this, but what do you expect
  from a corporate media tool that's inextricably part
  of the corporate apparatus that feeds and profits from
  War.

  History amply illustrates that violence and war have
  not brought violence and war to an end.  

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