NP? my anti-Catholicism

[Otto]

----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Millison" <pynchonoid at yahoo.com>
To: "Otto" <ottosell at yahoo.de>; <pynchon-l at waste.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 9:43 PM
Subject: NP? Re: NP my anti-Catholicism

Compassion? For whom? Only for the murdered millions, not for the murderers
and their helpers.

>
> What if -- just if, no commitment necessary -- this
> might -- just might, nothing irrevocable -- making
> Juan Diego a saint does represent part of the Church's
> attempt to make amends for its past disrespect for
> native cultures in America?
>

"past disrespect"?? -- what the Church is doing here is looking for new
"sheep", there has been no apology for the crimes commited in South America.

> Reading a bit more about Juan Diego, you would learn
> that he is instrumental in bringing native traditions
> into the sacred space recognized by the colonizing
> Spaniard -- in his vision of Mary she is also an
> apparation of a pre-existing, native goddess.
>

Yes, as always Christianity has incorporated (stolen) things out of older
religions pretending it's originally Christian. If there's a God he doesn't
need Christianity, the slaughter of millions and the humiliation of women.

I wasn't referring to Diego (who, by the way, only seems to be a myth and no
real person according to some sources) but to the other two and the massacre
that followed their execution by the villagers.

>
> I don't know that I'd use the word "betrayal" to
> describe the acts of an oppressed subject of a
> colonizing regime that had, in the past few years,
> wiped out most of the country's ruling class in a
> bloody invasion.  Personally, I think something a bit
> more compassionate might be more appropriate --
> certainly in the context of Pynchon's works, which
> show deep insight and understanding for human beings
> and the various factors that lead them to search for
> and find God and other expressions of the non-material
> realities of the universe.
>

An oppressed subject? Does this excuse go for the ones who betrayed hidden
Jews to the SS in the countries invaded by the Germans during WW II too?

As the saying goes:

"Der größte Lump in Stadt und Land ist und bleibt der Denunziant"
(dunno if there's an English equivalent)

Your comprehension for those people makes me wonder, Doug. I would have
expexted the contrary, "certainly in the context of Pynchon's works, which
show deep insight and understanding for human beings and the various factors
that lead them to search for" a life free from any systematic oppression by
any religion or political system. I don't see that P's work has anything to
do with a religious search, and if, in every case not Christian:

"Tribal death made sense, Christian death made none at all." (GR 318.5-6)

Otto

> --- Otto <ottosell at yahoo.de> wrote:
> > Where can I find any critical article on this
> > unbelievable story of the Pope
> > who calls these Stasi-indios ("informelle
> > Informanten") holy who have
> > betrayed their own people?
>


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