FWD: Interview with a former German minister

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This interview I've already read in German some weeks ago. Von Buelow was a 
kind of "secretary of State" under Chancellor Helmut Schmidt in the late 
seventies and is still member of the Social Democrats.

German Minister's Interview Rips 911 Case Open
Posted By: Rosalinda1-16-2(DRAFT) [Source: Tagesspiegel, Jan. 13] PARTIAL 
TRANSLATION The following interview with Von Buelow appeared in the German 
daily 'Tagesspiegel,' on Jan. 13. Q: You seem so angry, really upset. Von 
Buelow: I can explain what's bothering me: I see that after the horrifying 
attacks of Sept. 11, all political public opinion is being forced into a 
direction that I consider wrong. Q: What do you mean by that? Von Buelow: I 
wonder why many questions are not asked. Normally, with such a terrible 
thing, various leads and tracks appear that are then commented on, by the 
investigators, the media, the government: Is there something here or not? Are 
the explanations plausible? This time, this is not the case at all. It 
already began just hours after the attacks in New York and Washington and-- 
Q: In those hours, there was horror, and grief. Von Buelow: Right, but 
actually it was astounding: There are 26 intelligence services in the U.S.A. 
with a budget of $30 billion-- Q: More than the German defense budget. Von 
Buelow: --which were not able to prevent the attacks. In fact, they didn't 
even have an inkling they would happen. For 60 decisive minutes, the military 
and intelligence agencies let the fighter planes stay on the ground, 48 hours 
later, however, the FBI presented a list of suicide attackers. Within ten 
days, it emerged that seven of them were still alive. Q: What, please? Von 
Buelow: Yes, yes. And why did the FBI chief take no position regarding 
contradictions? Where the list came from, why it was false? If I were the 
chief investigator (state attorney) in such a case, I would regularly go to 
the public, and give information on which leads are valid and which not. Q: 
The U.S. government talked about an emergency situation after the attacks: 
They said they were in a war. Is it not understandable that one does not tell 
the enemy everything one knows about him? Von Buelow: Naturally. But a 
government which goes to war, must first establish who the attacker, the 
enemy, is. It has a duty to provide evidence. According to its own admission, 
it has not been able to present any evidence that would hold up in court. Q: 
Some information on the perpetrators has been proven with documents. The 
suspected leader, Mohammad Atta, left Portland for Boston on the morning of 
Sept. 11, in order to board the plane that later hit the World Trade Center 
Von Buelow: If this Atta was the decisive man in the operation, it's really 
strange that he took such a risk of taking a plane that would reach Boston 
such a short time before the connecting flight. Had his flight been a few 
minutes late, he would not have been in the plane that was hijacked. Why 
should a sophisticated terrorist do this? One can, by the way, read on CNN 
(Internet) that none of these names were on the official passenger lists. 
None of them had gone through the check-in procedures. And why did none of 
the threatened pilots give the agreed-upon code 7700 over the 
[Steuerknueppel: STEERING NOB?] to the ground station? In addition: The black 
boxes which are fire and shock proof, as well as the voice recordings, 
contain no valuable data-- Q: That sounds like-- Von Buelow: --like 
assailants who, in their preparations, leave tracks behind them like a herd 
of stampeding elephants? They made payments with credit cards with their own 
names; they reported to their flight instructors with their own names. They 
left behind rented cars with flight manuals in Arabic for jumbo jets. They 
took with them, on their suicide trip, wills and farewell letters, which fall 
into the hands of the FBI, because they were stored in the wrong place and 
wrongly addressed. Clues were left like behind like in a child's game of 
hide-and-seek, which were to be followed! There is also the theory of one 
British flight engineer: According to this, the steering of the planes was 
perhaps taken out of the pilots' hands, from outside. The Americans had 
developed a method in the 1970s, whereby they could rescue hijacked planes by 
intervening into the computer piloting [automatic pilot system]. This theory 
says, this technique was abused in this case. That's a theory.... Q: Which 
sounds really adventurous, and was never considered. Von Buelow: You see! I 
do not accept this theory, but I find it worth considering. And what about 
the obscure stock transactions? In the week prior to the attacks, the amount 
of transactions in stocks in American Airlines, United Airlines, and 
insurance companies, increased 1,200%. It was for a value of $15 billion. 
Some people must have known something. Who? Q: Why don't you speculate on who 
it might have been. Von Buelow: With the help of the horrifying attacks, the 
Western mass democracies were subjected to brainwashing. The enemy image of 
anti-communism doesn't work any more; it is to be replaced by peoples of 
Islamic belief. They are accused of having given birth to suicidal terrorism. 
Q: Brainwashing? That's a tough term. Von Buelow: Yes? But the idea of the 
enemy image doesn't come from me. It comes from Zbigniew Brzezinski and 
Samuel Huntington, two policy-makers of American intelligence and foreign 
policy. Already in the middle of he 1990s, Huntingon believed, people in 
Europe and the U.S. needed someone they could hate-- this would strengthen 
their identification with their own society. And Brzezinski, the mad dog, as 
adviser to President Jimmy Carter, campaigned for the exclusive right of the 
U.S. to seize all the raw materials of the world, especially oil and gas. Q: 
You mean, the events of Sept. 11-- Von Buelow: --fit perfectly in the concept 
of the armaments industry, the intelligence agencies, the whole 
military-industrial-academic complex. This is in fact conspicuous. The huge 
raw materials reserves of the former Soviet Union are now at their disposal, 
also the pipeline routes and-- Q: Erich Follach described that at length in 
{Spiegel}: ``It's a matter of military bases, drugs, oil and gas reserves.'' 
Von Buelow: I can state: the planning of the attacks was technically and 
organizationally a master achievement. To hijack four huge airplanes within a 
few minutes and within one hour, to drive them into their targets, with 
complicated flight maneuvers! This is unthinkable, without years-long support 
from secretapparatuses of the state and industry. Q: You are a conspiracy 
theorist! Von Buelow: Yeah, yeah. That's the ridicule heaped [on those 
raising these questions] by those who would prefer to follow the official, 
politically correct line. Even investigative journalists are fed propaganda 
and disinformation. Anyone who doubts that, doesn't have all his marbles! 
That is your accusation. Q: Your career actually speaks against the idea that 
you are not in your right mind. You were already in the 1970s, state 
secretary in the Defense Ministry; in 1993 you were the SPD [Social 
Democratic Party] speaker in the Schalk-Golodkowski investigation committee-- 
Von Buelow: And it all began there! Until that time, I did not have any great 
knowledge of the work of intelligence agencies. And now we had to take note 
of a great discrepancy: We shed light on the dealings of the Stasi and other 
East bloc intelligence agencies in the field of economic criminality, but as 
soon as we wanted to know something about the activities of the BND [German 
intelligence] or the CIA, it was mercilessly blocked. No information, no 
cooperation, nothing! That's when I was first taken aback. Q: 
Schalck-Golodkowski mediated, among other things, various business deals 
abroad. When you looked at his case more closely-- Von Buelow: We found, for 
example, a clue in Rostock, where Schalck organized his weapons depot. Well, 
then we happened upon an affiliation of Schalck in Panama, and then we 
happened upon Manuel Noriega, who was for many years President, drug dealer, 
and money launderer, all in one, right? And this Noriega was also on the 
payroll of the CIA, for $200,000 a year. These were things that really made 
me curious. Q: You wrote a book on the dealings of the CIA and Co. In the 
meantime, you have become an expert regarding the strange things related to 
intelligence services' work. Von Buelow: ``Strange things'' is the wrong 
term. What has gone on, and goes on, in the name of intelligence services, 
are true crimes. Q: What would you say determines the work of intelligence 
services? Von Buelow: So that we don't have any misunderstandings: I find 
that it makes sense to have intelligence services.... Q: You don't think much 
of the earlier proposals by the Greens, who wanted to dismantle these 
agencies? Von Buelow: No. It is right to take a look behind the scenes. 
Getting intelligence about the intentions of an enemy, makes sense. It is 
important when one tries to put oneself into the mind of the enemy. Whoever 
wants to understand the CIA's methods, has to deal with its main tasks, 
{covert operations}: below the level of war, and outside international law, 
foreign states are to be influenced, by organizing insurrections, terrorist 
attacks, usually combined with drugs and weapons trade, and money laundering. 
This is essentially very simple: One arms violent people with weapons. Since, 
however, it must not under any circumstances come out, that there is an 
intelligence agency behind it, all traces are erased, with tremendous 
deployment of resources. I have the impression that this kind of intelligence 
agency spends 90% of its time this way: creating false leads. So that, if 
anyone suspects the collaboration of the agencies, he is accused of the 
sickness of conspiracy madness. The truth often comes out only years later. 
CIA chief Allen Dulles once said: In case of doubt, I would even lie to the 
Congress! Q: The American journalist Seymour M. Hersh, wrote in the {New 
Yorker,} that even some people in the CIA and government assumed, that 
certain leads had been laid in order to confuse the investigators. Who, Herr 
von Buelow, would have done this? Von Buelow: I don't know that either. How 
should I? I simply use my common sense, and-- See: The terrorists behaved in 
such a way to attract attention. And as practicing Muslims, they were in a 
strip-tease bar, and, drunken, stuck dollar bills into the panty of the 
dancer. Q: Things like that also happen. Von Buelow: It may be. As a lone 
fighter, I cannot prove anything, that's beyond my capabilities. I have real 
difficulties, however, to imagine that all this all sprung out ofthe mind of 
an evil man in his cave. Q: Mr. von Buelow, you yourself say that you are 
alone in your criticism. Formerly, you were part of the political 
establishment, now you are an outsider. Von Buelow: That is a problem 
sometimes, but one gets used to it. By the way, I know a lot of people, 
including very influential ones, who agree with me, but only in whispers, 
never publicly. Q: Do you still have contact with old SPD companions, such as 
Egon Bahr and former Chancellor Helmut Schmidt? Von Buelow: There are no 
close contacts any more. I wantedto go to the last SPD party congress, but I 
was sick. Q: Can it be, Mr. von Buelow, that you are a mouthpiece for typical 
anti-Americanism? Von Buelow: Nonsense, this has absolutely nothing to do 
with anti-Americanism. I am a great admirer of this great, open, free 
society, and always have been. I studied in the U.S. Q: How did you get the 
idea that there could be a link between the attacks and the American 
intelligence agencies? Von Buelow: Do you remember the first attack on the 
WorldTrade Center in 1993? Q: Six people were killed and over a thousand 
wounded, by a bomb explosion. Von Buelow: In the middle was the bombmaker, a 
former Egyptian officer. He had pulled together some Muslims for the attack. 
They were snuck into the country by the CIA, despite a State Department ban 
on their entry. At the same time, the leader of the band was an FBI 
informant. And he made a deal with the authorities: At the last minute, the 
dangerous explosive material would be replaced by a harmless powder. The FBI 
did not stick to the deal. The bomb exploded, so to speak, with the knowledge 
of the FBI. The official story of the crime was quickly found: The criminals 
were evil Muslims. Q: At the time Soviet soldiers marched into Afghanistan, 
you were in the cabinet of Helmut Schmidt. What was it like? Von Buelow: The 
Americans pushed for trade sanctions, they demanded the boycott of the 
Olympic games in Moscow.... Q.... which the German government followed... Von 
Buelow: And today we know: It was the strategy of the American security 
adviser, Zbigniew Brzezinski, to destabilize the Soviet Union from 
neighboring Muslim countries They lured the Russians into Afghanistan, and 
then prepared for them a hell on earth, their Vietnam. With decisive support 
of the U.S. intelligence agencies, at least 30,000 Muslim fighters were 
trained in Afghanistan and Pakistan, a bunch of good-for-nothings and 
fanatics who were, and still are today, ready for anything. And one of them 
is Osama bin Laden. I wrote years ago: ` `It was out of this brood, that the 
Taliban grew up in Afghanistan, who had been brought up in the Koran schools 
financed by American and Saudi funds, the Taliban who are now terrorizing the 
country and destroying it Q: Even though you say, for the U.S. it was a 
matter of raw materials in the region, the starting point for the U.S. 
aggression, was the terrorist attack which cost thousands of human lives. Von 
Buelow: Completely true. One must always keep this gruesome act in mind. 
Nonetheless, in the analysis of political processes, I am allowed to look and 
see who has advantages and disadvantages, and what is coincidental. When in 
doubt, it is always worthwhile to take a look at a map, where are raw 
materials resources, and the routes to them? Then lay a map of civil wars and 
conflicts on top of that --they coincide. The same is the case with the third 
map: nodal points of the drug trade. Where this all comes together, the 
American intelligence services are not far away. By the way, the Bush family 
is linked to oil, gas, and weapons trade, through the bin Laden family. Q: 
What do you think of the Bin Laden films? Von Buelow: When one is dealing 
with intelligence services, one can imagine manipulations of the highest 
quality. Hollywood could provide these techniques. I consider the videos 
inappropriate as evidence. Q: You believe the CIA is capable of anything, 
[wouldn't stop at anything]. Von Buelow: The CIA, in the state interests of 
the U.S., does not have to abide by any law in interventions abroad, is not 
bound by international law; only the President gives orders. And when funds 
are cut, peace is on the horizon, then a bomb explodes somewhere. Thus it is 
proven, that you can't do without the intelligence services; and that the 
critics are {nuts,} as Father Bush called them, Bush who was once CIA head 
and President. You have to see that the U.S. spends $30 billion on 
intelligence services, and $13 billion on anti-drug work. And what comes out 
of it? The chief of a special unit of the strategic anti-drug work declared, 
in despair, after 30 years of service, that in every big, important drug 
case, the CIA came in and took it out of my hands. (Rosalinda: Michael Levin) 
Q: Do you criticize the German government for its reaction after Sept. 11? 
Von Buelow: No. To assume that the government were independent in these 
questions, would be naive. Q: Herr von Buelow, what will you do now? Von 
Buelow: Nothing. My task is concluded by saying, it could not have been that 
way [according to the official story] Search for the truth! 
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