la décadanse

[alfredjprufrock at club-internet.fr]

hey monica,

décadence (or anything, for that matter) can be traced back forever, you know, if you want to go
there. you're the one who mentioned it in relation to the
"poètes maudits" and the 19th century, so i was just pointing out that here it's not
really what we understand by décadents, but something more specific,
but that's ok monica, and i actually know what you mean (and agree) but we just
don't use the same terms, you see. In France. Not my fault. No
affectation here or whatever. That's how we learn about it. I swear. Check this out for
example (i don't know if you read french): http://www.bmlisieux.com/curiosa/jtellier.htm
Get my point?
oh and please, when you're done looking down on me, dear, could you start
spelling my name right?
thank you

Grégory (not Grégoire, i used to beat people up for that one...
just kidding(i figure i should make that clear, seeing how natural
humor is around here...)!)
MB> Gregoire-- ´´decadentism´´, is, in fact, the art of supreme affectation, and 
MB> if you are merely picking at the smaller threads and timelines you only have 
MB> part of the picture. More than decadent art ( a contradcition in terms, 
MB> perhaps?), there is a decadent cosmovision. That is precisely what 
MB> Parnassians, Symbolists and even French proto-Surrealists like Lautreamont 
MB> share, that special disposition, that agriculture of spleen. The term itself 
MB> is English and was coigned by Baudelaire, who set the definitive antecedent 
MB> for this form of aestheticism. If you trace it further back, you shall 
MB> discover a rich Gothic influence as well. Abridging the decandent esprit to 
MB> schools and petit comites, however, testifies to your own affectation, and 
MB> fails to do much justice to it´s historical import in the reconstruction of 
MB> aesthetics.
MB> This was all discussed to some extent in recent p-list postings, ´´ The 
MB> Aesthetics of Ugliness´´.

MB> David-- I don´t have either M&D or V. with me, so it is impossible for me to 
MB> address you an answer as punctually as I would like to. No less, I was 
MB> referring to a more global atmosphere to Pynchon´s texts. To reading the 
MB> Pynchon that Paul likes to read, he´s the Pynchon I like best as well. And 
MB> your quotations testify to this. If you read them, as they are, you will 
MB> notice that V.´s intrinsic polyhedric architecture makes of Decadence an x 
MB> variable, a term of multipe acceptations, and shifting affectations as well. 
MB> One of the quotations, in fact, even points to a particular vitality in 
MB> decadence:

MB> ´´This sort of arranging and rearranging was Decadence, but the exhaustion 
MB> of all possible permutations and combinations was death." 298

MB> I do not believe we disagree.

MB> Love, Monica



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 alfredjprufrock                            mailto:alfredjprufrock at club-internet.fr