MDDM Ch. 65 strange inconsistencies

[Otto]

This is the one with the right questions:

Did a historical Jesus exist?
by Jim Walker

"No one has the slightest physical evidence to support a historical Jesus;
no artifacts, dwelling, works of carpentry, or self-written manuscripts. All
claims about Jesus derive from writings of other people. There occurs no
contemporary Roman record that shows Pontius Pilate executing a man named
Jesus. Devastating to historians, there occurs not a single contemporary
writing that mentions Jesus. All documents about Jesus got written well
after the life of the alleged Jesus from either: unknown authors, people who
had never met an earthly Jesus, or from fraudulent, mythical or allegorical
writings. Although one can argue that many of these writings come from fraud
or interpolations, I will use the information and dates to show that even if
these sources did not come from interpolations, they could still not serve
as reliable evidence for a historical Jesus, simply because all sources
derive from hearsay accounts."
http://www.nobeliefs.com/exist.htm

Historical names like Herod and Pilate have been included into the legend to
claim authenticity.

On the star, with images how the sky looked like back then:
http://www.quarks.de/all3/05.htm

Contrary to the scientific the Christian answer:

"Meine Schlußfolgerung ist nun, daß der Stern von Bethlehem nicht
naturwissenschaftlich erklärt werden kann! Er war ein zeitlich begrenztes
und übernatürliches Licht. War nicht überhaupt das erste Weihnachtsfest eine
Zeit voller Wunder?"
http://www.christiananswers.net/german/q-eden/edn-c018g.html

"The conclusion is that the Star of Bethlehem cannot be naturally explained
by science! It was a temporary and supernatural light. After all, the first
Christmas was a time of miracles."
http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-c018.html

After all, I especially love the last sentence. Wicks could have said it.

Otto

----- Original Message -----
From: "jbor" <jbor at bigpond.com>
To: <pynchon-l at waste.org>
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 8:21 AM
Subject: MDDM Ch. 65 strange inconsistencies


> 632.5 "If," says the Geomancer, "like all Christian nations, you accept
the
> reckoning of Dionysus Exiguus,-- then Herod died in four B.C.,-- yet the
> Gospels have him alive when Christ was born ... "
>
> See Gould, Stephen Jay. 'Dousing Diminutive Dennis's Debate (or
DDDD=2000)':
>
> http://www.dilettantepress.com/Essayisthtdocs/Stephen_Jay_Gould.html
>
> In _Dinosaur in a Haystack: Reflections in Natural History_. New York:
> Harmony Books, 1995; and _Questioning the Millennium: A Rationalist's
Guide
> to a Precisely Arbitrary Countdown_. New York: Harmony Books, 1997.
>
>       "Unless the death of Herod be wrongly dated, for Dennis the Meager,
as
>     *we* know him,-- was an agent of God." (Mason, unattributed)
>       "God should've found another Agent," remarks Dixon, in the same
side-
>     of-the-mouth delivery as Mason. (632.10-13)
>
> http://www.blather.net/archives/issue1no49.html
>
> http://www.nobeliefs.com/exist.htm
>
> http://www.friesian.com/century.htm
>
>
> 631.29 the star that bought the Magi
>
> See Molnar, Michael R. _The Star of Bethlehem: The Legacy of the Magi_.
> Rutgers University Press, 1999.
>
> Something does not make sense: The Star appeared in 6 BC, not AD 1 the
start
> of the Christian system of counting the years. Why?
>
> The system of counting the years was miscalculated by Dionysus Exiguus, a
> Christian monk in AD 533 (pp 55-57). Even his colleagues thought he
dropped
> a few years in counting the lengths of the reigns of the Roman emperors.
> Well-meaning people, however, have tried to move various dates around to
> rectify this discrepancy. For example, that Herod died in 4 BC has been
> challenged by a few people, but mainstream historians and numismatists
(coin
> experts) stand firm with the spring of 4 BC for Herod's death (pp 55-57).
If
> Jesus were born during the reign of King Herod, he had to be born in or
> before 4 BC.
>
> http://www.eclipse.net/~molnar/
>
>       "Gentlemen, surely," the Revd, as mildly as he may, advances,
"Christ
>     was not born any time before Christ?" (632.3)
>
> best

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