VLVL 3 Zoyd and Hector

[pynchonoid]

--- jbor <jbor at bigpond.com> wrote:
> Pynchon's texts, once you engage with them, present
> a much more nuanced
> perspective on "good" and "evil" than Doug would
> like. Which is pretty much
> why he continually refuses to engage with them, and
> chooses to employ this
> style of ad hominem and flamebait instead.

Sorry you feel that way about my characterization of
your posts in this thread.  I intend no flame, and
have offered no insult.  You seem happy enough to
associate yourself with the neocon view of '60s
counterculture, using it to interpret Vineland as you
have used it to interpret Pynchon's work in this forum
before, and I honor that 100 percent. I just think
it's hilarious to hear you using a Reagan-Bush
worldview to skewer Vineland.  Again, I congratulate
you for choosing (if you have a choice) an approach
that's guaranteed to spark controversy in this forum.
That doesn't make what you're saying about Vineland
any less absurd.

Hector and Zoyd are delicately nuanced characters, as
are the rest of the major characters in this novel,
and certainly Pynchon presents a nuanced morality. 
Pynchon also clearly delineates the lines of authority
that frame relations between Zoyd and Hector, and, in
this novel as elsewhere, makes it clear that his
sympathies are with the outlaw and not the corrupt
cop. 

Unless perhaps you think it's "flamebait" to observe
that you offer another of your ideologically driven
rewrites of Pynchon's text.  If that's what's bugging
you, sorry, who knew you had such a thin skin.


pynchonoid:
>>>jbor offers, as in past group readings here, an
> > ideologically-driven interpretation that follows
> the
> > contours of the contemporary critique of 60's
> > subculture (and its heirs) wielded by right-wing
> > neo-cons in their ongoing Culture War.  To the
> degree
> > that jbor's biased comments stimulate discussion,
> > that's a good thing, but it's a wildly skewed view
> of
> > Vineland that's sustainable only by cutting and
> > pasting certain bits and pieces of the text
> > to support
> > a pre-determined argument and ignoring what
> > contradicts this pre-scripted provocation, as
> we've
> > seen in jbor's interpretations of this novel, GR,
> and
> > the rest of Pynchon's work here in the past. 
> 


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