move the Pale Fire discussison somewhere else

[Otto]

So läßt sich etwa eine direkte Linie ziehen zwischen Shades Gedicht von 1958
über das Wesen der Elektrizität und seiner literarischen Ausbuchstabierung
durch Nabokovs Schüler Thomas Pynchon. Shades Gedicht beginnt mit der Idee
unsterblicher Seelen, die sich in den Leuchtfäden der Glühlampen erhalten
und tradieren:

Die Toten, die sanften Toten - wer weiß? -
Beharrn vielleicht in Wolfram-Filamenten,
Und auf dem Tisch an meinem Bette brennt
Die verblichene Braut eines andern.
http://www.verzetteln.de/krajewski_fahlesfeuer.pdf
(Commentary to line 347)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Strzechowski" <dedalus204 at comcast.net>
To: "Pynchon-L" <pynchon-l at waste.org>; "David Morris" <fqmorris at yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 12:14 AM
Subject: Re: move the Pale Fire discussison somewhere else
> >
> > No such promises were ever made by the majority of those who signed on,
>
> Sure they were, by several listers.  Search the archives and you'll see at
> least ten such references.
>

Tim,

the burden of proof is on you. I keep all the posts on my machine and I
cannot find those ten references.You're supporting Doug in his suggestion
that the NPPF should leave the P-List. He's been the one who demanded that
the PF-discussion should focus only on Pynchon-related topics (which would
be a ridiculous way to do it), it's not been the other way round.

> > nor
> > should there have been,
>
> I beg to differ.  In a Pynchon-focussed forum, it *should* be
> Pynchon-related.

The Pynchon-connection has been made. It starts with the waxwing, the
lemniscate, the jet's pink trail, Byron the Bulb (see above) all those chess
references, but the main point for me is the intrusion from another world
into this one that seems to be central to PF and is central to GR too.

> But, again, I'm not willing to spar in this fight again.
> I've stated my position here before.
>

So why your support for Doug's wish again? You have never complained that
especially Doug has posted tons of non-related stuff. As James Kyllo wrote:

"This is a bit hard to take from the entity responsible for more
irrelevant, off topic and generally spamming posts than the rest
of the list together."
(June 10)

> though some have used this logic to try to beat the PF
> > read into the ground.
>
> Stop trying to turn this into some ridiculously cosmic US vs. THEM thing,
> David.  I have no axe to grind with a Nabakov read.  You know this.
>

This is not ridiculous. Doug is against the NPPF, the "subjects" he's
referring to as the "Gang of Five" have spoken out for the reading. You're
his shield-bearer in a fight that's going on for years now.

Our list-owners have not complained, but Doug has written:

"Mom and Dad, do you guys mind if I piss in the living room?"

and:

"Please forgive me everybody.  I take it all back.
Your group read of Pale Fire on Pynchon-L promises to
be the funniest thing all summer. Thanks for the
suggestion, Keith.  Go for it!"
(June 10)

Now he comes up again with his demand and you're with him again. Why?

Otto

"Help me, Will." (962):

...But that I am forbid
To tell the secrets of my prison-house
I could a tale unfold whose lightest word
Would harrow up thy soul, freeze thy young blood...
( Hamlet)