VLVL2 (10) Alchemy, 192

[Otto]

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From: "Terrance" <lycidas2 at earthlink.net>
Cc: <pynchon-l at waste.org>
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: VLVL2 (10) Alchemy, 192
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> Otto wrote:
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> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Terrance" <lycidas2 at earthlink.net>
> > Cc: <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 5:09 PM
> > Subject: Re: VLVL2 (10) Alchemy, 192
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> > > > > Why is Prairie's quest for
> > > > > her Mother being directed by a generation
> > > > > of losers
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Because these are the people her mother has been with.
> > >
> > > Been with? As in "been with"  sexually?
> > > It's fairly obvious that DL and Frenesi were lovers and friends.
> > >
> >
> > I'd like to see that proven with textual evidence.
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> Are you asking me to prove that DL and Frenesi were lovers?
> They were friends, they used to run together ... and it seem to me that
> they were much more than just friends, that DL has "been with" Frenesi
> and that is one of the reasons why DL temporizes and tap dances and
> walks on egg shells from time to time during her narrative.  Can't you
> just here Prairie say, "you mean you were with my Mom?" You mean my Mom
> killed some guy. Sex and murder.

Right, Frenesi is responsible for killing her lover Weed. A man. She had sex
with Weed immediately after she had sex with Brock. Her sex is the way Brock
uses her, like he uses Flash's sex.

>Love & Death. The sexual obsession
> (i.e.,  DL and Brock Vond) is sexual.   At one point DL is paranoid
> enough to suspect that Ralph has set her up and is getting off on it
> (VL.141). Notice that DL admits that her obsession is like Brock Vond's.
> Why does Ralph go to so much trouble to get DL into a whore house
> disguised as Frenesi? Oh yeah, she can put the death touch on him and
> he'll drop dead when Ralph & Co. are playing poker with the chief of
> police. Come on, must be more to it than that. Right?
>

Not necessarily. What has Ralph to do with a (maybe) sexual obsession
between DL and Frenesi?

> If you are looking for a scene where Frenesi, in chains, her head pushed
> down between DL's pussy, smells the machine in DL thighs, forget about
> it.

There's no indication that Frenesi has lesbian tendencies. She's been
married twice, has two children from two different men.

And why should Pynchon make a secret about it? The other sexual scenes are
very "open" -- Zoyd masturbating, Frenesi and Brock, DL and Takeshi (as
doubles). Why?

Otto