Dove feathers in the President's mouth etc

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I care about the historical record, facts, policy, ethics and the helpless
millions suffering etc. I also believe that Bush is a bloody murdering
idiot. The two are not mutually exclusive. I haven't worn a tie (except to
weddings and funerals) in decades. I do nothing in the name of god. I'm an
atheist. Your ad hominem attacks grow tiresome. If you would like to look me
in the eye to tell me that I will never grow up to be a man, I am at your
disposal. Shut up.

Joe

on 2/1/03 10:33 AM, Eddie Bettano at eddiebettano at yahoo.com wrote:

> 
> 
> The radical anti-bush people could care less about
> historical record, facts, policy, ethics.... And jbor
> is correct on this too, they don't really care about
> the helpless millions suffering under regimes like
> those in Iraq and North Korea. They only want to make
> Bush out to be a Nazi and a bloody murdering idiot and
> sell their radical rags and conspiracy fabrications.
> They should know better but they don't because they
> are self-centered, self-rightious, self-serving
> radicals who believe in themselves with a religious
> zeal. 
> 
> 
> The self-rightousness in the name of God or innocent
> children or civil rights or whatever it is the  people
> hold dear and sacred is nothing new to politics left
> or right. It's how they play the game.
> 
> Don't play, it;s a waste of time.  If you beleive the
> death penalty is a crime against humanity you can do
> something about it.  It's an on going debate in the
> USA. The annihilation of native americans is not being
> denied or ignored, it's being taught to school kids in
> Texas and every other state in the Union. The history
> of slavery? Jeeeez, have you ever read _Narrative of
> the Life of Frederick Douglass, an American Slave?
> Well I've read it and taught in NYC to HS students and
> I'm teaching it right now to college students in a
> class that is being taught in unversities and colleges
> across the United States, Race, Class, Gender (or
> something like it). It's being taught to kids too and
> in places of business where diversity classes and
> history classes and diaspora are taught, supported and
> funded by this administration.
> 
> In America we don't deny, silence, avoid, moral
> questions. Issues of reform. We simply are not like
> most nations in this regared.  We don't hand out
> issues over to an elite to decide. We struggle with
> them. We argue. We debate. We are a nation of
> fundamentalists. We often argue in absolutes. But we
> are pragmatists. And while the 60s left-overs, the
> baby-boomers would like to take credit for making
> issues moral in America, caliming that values and
> moral issues were pushed to the for by their efforts
> and their superior moral vision, they are wrong. This
> is one of the reasons they are now falling back on the
> old establishment class struggle argument. Because the
> nation knows they are wrong and isn't listening to
> them. Because they are not really interested in
> pragmatic reform, they are out of the struggle. They
> are cheer-leaders and fat internet potato spectators
> and yahooing googleers.
> 
> 
> Off with their Ties!
> They will never grow up and be real men and woman.
> 
> 
> "Let me give you a word of the philosophy of reform.
> The whole history of the progress of human liberty
> shows that all concessions yet made to her august
> claims, have been born of earnest struggle...Those who
> profess to favor freedom and yet depreciate agitation,
> are men who want crops with out plowing up the ground.
> They want rain without thunder and lightning. They
> want the ocean without the might roar of its
> waters..." 
> 
> (Excerpted from Frederick Douglass's speech
> celebrating West India Emancipation Day, August,
> 1857.) 
> 
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