Pynchon mention

[Otto]

I agree that to me Gibson's novels (except "Neuromancer" maybe) always
seemed to be relatively weak, even as sf-novels, but when I read stories
like "Johnny Mnemonic" and "Burning Chrome" I have to admit that this guy
has written better short stories than our man.

Cyberfiction has to be defined first, but I don't think that Joyce,
Burroughs and Pynchon belong to the same literary category as Gibson. I've
never seen "Gravity's Rainbow" as Science Fiction, or only in a way I
understand that term literally as "scientific fiction", not as a
genre-definition.

This source defines cyberfiction as: "Science fiction embodying the
technological ideas of cyberpunk, without necessarily embodying cyberpunk's
amoralism or nihilism."
http://www.homoexcelsior.com/omega.db/datum/fiction/cyberfiction/53

What I do believe is that Pynchon's and Burroughs' novels (and of course
Philip K. Dick's novels, not to forget John Brunner's "The Sheep Look Up"
too) have influenced the cyberpunk-authors.

Otto

----- Original Message -----

> on 2/4/03 3:28 PM, David Morris at fqmorris at yahoo.com wrote:
>
> >
> > --- prozak at anus.com wrote:\
> >>
> >> It seems to me that the lineage of cyberfiction is:
> >>
> >> Joyce
> >> Burroughs
> >> Pynchon
> >> Gibson
> >>
> >> Gibson at least mentioned being inspired by Pynchon's concept of
> >>feedback loops while watching a kid use a video game.
> >
> > Pardon my objection,  but Gibson, decent writer of a particular genre of
> > Science Fiction that he is, does not belong in a list with these other
> > three.He's just not that good, nor as ground-breakingly original.
> >
> > David Morris
>
>
> How are you defining cyberfiction? How does Joyce fit into that category?
> I'm curious, not argumentative.
>
> Obviously, I disagree on Gibson. A discussion of Neoromancer might give me
> the opportunity to change your mind. Part of the problem is the relegation
> of people like Gibson to the Science Fiction ghetto.
>
>
> Joe

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