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Fri Feb 21 14:59:31 CST 2003
> > Has anyone here read "Nietzsche Contra Wagner"? Nietzsche would have
> > been split about the Nazi eventiture. He despised patriotism and
> > Christian "anti-Semites" but espoused nationalism and materialism,
> > including eugenics.
>
> Yup. got a copy right here. Give me a page number to support your
> obvious misreading of the book. Let's see what you got.
Burden of proof's on you - I haven't touched it in some years, but I
recall:
- Militant statements against "patriotism"
- Militant statements against Christian "anti-Semites"
And from his other works:
- Materialism, including eugenics
- Appeal to tribalism
Here's a related quotation I do have handy and in digital form:
9
[9.1] "But why are you talking about nobler ideals! Let us stick to
the facts: the people have won -- or 'the slaves' or 'the mob' or
'the herd' or whatever you like to call them -- if this has happened
through the Jews, very well! in that case no people ever had a more
world-historic mission. 'The masters' have been disposed of; the
morality of the common man has won. One may conceive of this victory
as at the same time a blood-poisoning (it has mixed the races
together) -- I shan't contradict; but this in-toxication has
undoubtedly been successful. The 'redemption' of the human race (from
'the masters,' that is) is going forward; everything is visibly
becoming Judaised, Christianised, mob-ised (what do the words
matter!). The progress of this poison through the entire body of
mankind seems irresistible, its pace and tempo may from now on even
grow slower, subtler, less audible, more cautious -- there is plenty
of time. -- To this end, does the church today still have any
necessary role to play? Does it still have the right to exist? Or
could one do without it? Quaeritur. It seems to hinder rather than
hasten this progress. But perhaps that is its usefulness. --
Certainly it has, over the years, become something crude and boorish,
something repellent to a more delicate intellect, to a truly modern
taste. Ought it not to become at least a little more refined. --
Today it alienates rather than seduces. -- Which of us would be a
free spirit if the church did not exist? It is the church, and not
its poison, that repels us. -- Apart from the church, we, too, love
the poison. -- "
[9.2] This is the epilogue of a "free spirit" to my speech; an honest
animal, as he has abundantly revealed, and a democrat, moreover; he
had been listening to me till then and could not endure to listen to
my silence. For at this point I have much to be silent about.
10
[10.1] The slave revolt in morality begins when ressentiment itself
becomes creative and gives birth to values: the ressentiment of
natures that are denied the true reaction, that of deeds, and
compensate themselves with an imaginary revenge. While every noble
morality develops from a triumphant affirmation of itself, slave
morality from the outset says No to what is "outside," what is
"different," what is "not itself"; and this No is its creative deed.
This inversion of the value-positing eye -- this need to direct one's
view outward instead of back to oneself -- is of the essence of
ressentiment: in order to exist, slave morality always first needs a
hostile external world; it needs, physiologically speaking, external
stimuli in order to act at all -- its action is fundamentally
reaction.
[10.2] The reverse is the case with the noble mode of valuation: it
acts and grows spontaneously, it seeks its opposite only so as to
affirm itself more gratefully and triumphantly -- its negative
concept "low," "common," "bad" is only a subsequently-invented pale,
contrasting image in relation to its
positive basic concept -- filled with life and passion through and
through -- "we noble ones, we good,
beautiful, happy ones!" When the noble mode of valuation blunders and
sins against reality, it does so
in respect to the sphere with which it is not sufficiently familiar,
against a real knowledge of which it
has indeed inflexibly guarded itself: in some circumstances it
misunderstands the sphere it despises,
that of the common man, of the lower orders; on the other hand, one
should remember that, even
supposing that the affect of contempt, of looking down from a
superior height, falsifies the image of
that which it despises, it will at any rate still be a much less
serious falsification than that perpetrated on its opponent -- in
effigy of course -- by the submerged hatred, the vengefulness of the
impotent. There is indeed too much carelessness, too much taking
lightly, too much looking away and impatience involved in contempt,
even too much joyfulness, for it to be able to transform its object
into a real caricature and monster.
from The Geneaology of Morals by F.W. Nietzsche
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