Cut price politics

[Terrance]

OK. Mike. You win. This is stupid. You cut and paste and edit my on and
offlist posts to win an argument? Ok. You win. Don't ever contact me
offlist again. 

Mike Weaver wrote:
> 
> Past its Tel by date
> 
> > >So, when Mike Weaver says I hate Pynchon's politics
> > >he's wrong. As I've explained to him several times I don't hate
> > >Pynchon's politics or want to silence a discussion of Pynchon's politics
> > >here.
> 
> "several times"????
> Sorry, I  exaggerated too - here's what you wrote.

Several times is accurate. If I have to post them to prove I'm right I
will. 


> 
>  >Are you kidding? I disagree with most of Pynchon's stupid politics and
>  >his ridiculous and naive reading of a American culture and history.
>  >Basically. i think TRP is an ass hole. actually, i could care less about
>  >him. everything i learn about him is unpleasant. He's still an always
>  >will be, a great Americans novelist, but that's about all.

Oh jeeezus. You are actually gonna try to hold me to this? You are
kidding. 


> 
> > >Facts are, I've brought more to this list, in books, reviews,
> > >essays, articles, dissertations, etc., on Pynchon's politics than anyone
> > >else. I just think this is a Pynchon list and we should focus on
> > >Pynchon.
> 
> Fetishist - sniffing his literary shoes.

No, you claim I'm trying to stop all discussions of Pynchon's politics
and focus the list on lit-crit. That's not true. Fact is, I have been
discussing Pynchon's politics for years. Fact is, just this month I
posted excerpts from three books on Pynchon's politics. Over the years
I've focused on Pynchon's politics as much as any other Pynchon subject.
But I don't care to discuss the news here. I don't want political spam. 

> 
> You have offered (as tablets of stone) your take on P's politics more than
> anyone else, and backed it up with texts that support that view. 

Tablets of stone? What utter nonsense. I have posted from a wide
spectrum of political readings. Do I have to list them? 

Not all of
> us here are regular litcrit readers and some of us want to look at the
> world with reference to P's perspectives as we understand them. 


What has lit-crit got to do with it? It's not lit-crit. I know that
there are only a few people here who read and are very interested in the
lit-crit. But I don't post much from the lit-crit. Most of what I post
here is from the political readings of Pynchon. 




Since this
> isn't a classroom  we don't have to keep dragging the man himself in as a
> referent - we can riff on his themes. As long as there are people on the
> list engaging with you on the level you want, then you've a place on the
> list - and the same for anyone of the rest of us.
> You''ve  been near the centre of several of the nastiest flame fests of the
> last two years. That behaviour also drives people away. Motes and beams Tel
> and dang yankee arrogance.
> 
> Weavertowearer
> and out

Near the center because Doug lost his mind. You just want to talk about
stuff that is not related to Pynchon. In fact, you want to keep this
list talking about war in Iraq and the Bush administration. That's what
you're here for. When do you ever talk about Pynchon? Never. There are
places, chat rooms, or offlist.  where you can debate the topics of the
day. This is the Pynchon List. Get it?