why throwing around words like "anti-semitism" is fascism
thomas kyhn rovsing hjoernet
tkrh at worldonline.dk
Wed Feb 26 13:59:49 CST 2003
On 26/02/03 22:21, "prozak at anus.com" <prozak at anus.com> wrote:
>
>>> > > No - provability is a different concept from faith, which does not
>>> > > rely on a series of causal demonstrations or structured conjectures.
>>> > >
>> > It appears you overlook the fact that there are different concepts of
>> > truth.¹ Truth¹ within religious discourses is not authorized¹ by the
>> same
>> > procedures as truth¹ in scientific discourses.
>
> Anyone can call anything truth, but it does not make it so.
According to what?
>
>>>>>>> > >>> > > Or, in social language, "Not for everyone"!
>>>>> > >> >
>>>>> > >> > What do you mean by that? The fact that religious notions of truth
do not
>>>>> > >> > hold up as ³true² when regarded from a non-religious point of view
>>>>> does not
>>>>> > >> > mean that the notion of truth is not intimately connected to the
>>>>> notion of
>>>>> > >> > faith.¹
>>> > >
>>> > > Nope, was just pointing out social conditioning to assume there is no
>>> > > form of objective truth,
>>> > >
>> > Doesn¹t look like people with political power underwent your social
>> > conditioning.
>
> Wrong.
>
How so?
>
>> > About your objective truth.¹ Truth¹ is dependent on criteria; criteria do
>> > not exist outside the systems of representation/signification in which they
>> > are established, and accordingly, neither does truth.¹
>
> So says one "point of view"; however, it also hopes to be "true."
> Since it just vanished in the shambles of paradox,
>
Quite an easy refutation, no? Perhaps you could explain how you can operate
with a truth concept¹ without criteria that are established in a system of
signification.
>
> maybe it's wisest
> to stick with what we know, e.g. logical truth,
>
As in formal logic?
>
> of which scientific,
> religious and social truths are a subset, unless of course the
> perceiver is insane.
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