NP Tolkien Picks Up A Few More Bits Of Cultural Baggage

[Dave Monroe]

No objections per se to John's terms, racialized vs.
racist, similar to what I attempted with racisms (or,
more neutrally, racemes) vs. racism, but ...

--- tess marek <tessmarek at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> John tried to introduce what I think was a good
> place to start--racial issue and themes.

... but that's only to defer considering the obvious
val(in)orizations indeed being made ...

> Overall the thread has been poor because the posters
> seem to be ignorant of or only vaugely familiar with
> the texts.

I've yet to have the trilogy in front of me whilstr
posting (esp. as I never expected to STILL be posting
on the subject), but I used to read the damn things
annually, at least until the posthumous backstory
stuff began to pile up.  Hell, I'd be willing to bet
I'm the biggest Tolkien fan here ...

> What this thread devolved into was pretty much what
> we all expected ...

You got that right ...

> --a taunting at the alleged psychological patterns
> or complexes of individual readers.

Or, rather, posters ...

> Avoiding the text has produced a thread that is
> non-literal and lopsided because it has focused on
> the reader and ignored the texts.

But, again, what keeps me from simply sitting down,
going page by page, and cataloguing the relevant
materials is, well, not only do I have all sorts of
OTHER stuff to do (though I have taken an interesting
detour through the scholarship on race in Fantasy 'n'
SF, which I'll deal out at my leisure), this IS the
Pynchon-List, y'know, and Quail and Michel are
valiantly getting us going on "Low-lands."  Which I'd
like to do as well, as I've barely reopened my copy of
Slow Learner tehse past few weeks, so ...

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