NP: Iraq

[Otto]

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Morris" <fqmorris at yahoo.com>
To: "Otto" <ottosell at yahoo.de>; <pynchon-l at waste.org>
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 9:08 PM
Subject: Re: NP: Iraq
>
> --- Otto <ottosell at yahoo.de> wrote:
> >
> > 1. If they only had said that the war is necessary to save Iraqui lives,
> without the whole WMD-thing, like in the Yugoslavia-case. It would have
been
> more difficult for at least France and Germany to say "No" to an
UN-resolution
> threatening Saddam with war. But all this faked evidence made it so easy
to
> stay out of it and criticise the Bush-administration.
>
> The jury is still out on what was or wasn't faked, who seriously believed
what,
> and what is actually true.
>

What has been presented to the UN by Colin Powell turned out to be a fake.
What Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld have said recently looks like rowing back from
assertions that have been made before the war. If mass murder is an argument
for regime state why aren't we consequent about it in all the other cases?

> > 2. What about the Congo, Ruanda and Uganda? Following your argument we
must
> declare war on them & on all the other bad guys (like Mugabe, Gaddafi,
Assad)
> immediately before they develop or buy weapons of mass destruction and are
safe
> like North Korea.
>
> Not true.  I was arguing for balance in assessing the human costs of this
war.
> I would also like to consider the furture of the entire region in this
balance
> assessment.
>

1. There's no stability in Central Africa. Just genocide that cannot be
stopped by insufficient UN-troops.

2. The argument of regional stability has been used by opponents of the
Iraq-war too. As we've seen nothing has happened yet, no general uprising of
fundamentalist muslims in the "moderate" islamic countries, not even a
significant increase of terrorist attacks.

> > 3. At the end of all this we logically must declare war on Pakistan,
India
> and China too.
>
> Not true.  Do you consider them rogue states?  And do you want to consider
> power balances and regional stability issues?
>
> David Morris
>

1. This consideration would require an immediate reaction before it's too
late, for example before Pakistan and India get into a nuclear war about
Kashmir.

2. Yes, the human rights situation (women & other ethnical/religious
minorities, political dissidents) in all of these countries is very bad. One
of the northern provinces of Pakistan has introduced the Sharia. China
definitely is a rogue state (think of Tibet, their attitude towards Taiwan).

Otto