Children of the Revolution?

[Otto]

But what if you're not white?

Remember the Chikago Trial, where Bobby Seale has been treated very
different than his white comrades Hayden, Rubin, Hoffman, Dellinger, Davis,
Froines and Weiner.

Otto

----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Mackin" <paul.mackin at verizon.net>
To: <pynchon-l at waste.org>
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 2:46 PM
Subject: Re: Children of the Revolution?


> On Mon, 2003-06-23 at 07:53, Otto wrote:
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "jbor" <jbor at bigpond.com>
> > To: <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> > Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 10:53 AM
> > Subject: Re: Children of the Revolution?
> >
> >
> > > on 23/6/03 10:56 AM, Richard Fiero at rfiero at pophost.com wrote:
> > >
> > > > I can see that we're in for a deluge of anti-60's stuff.
> > >
> > > Including _Vineland_ itself, which is, in large part, a satiric
portrait
> > of
> > > student "revolutionaries" in America in the 60s. And it's part and
parcel
> > of
> > > Pynchon's ongoing critique of Leftist ideologies and political
movements,
> > > and of "phony antifascists" in general.
> > >
> >
> > It's a much more mild & friendly criticism than you're trying to make of
it,
> > Rob. The real criticism (the other part of VL) is his anti-fascism, his
> > anti-capitalism, anti-Puritanism, his criticism of structures that even
> > could turn the USA into a proto-fascist state (which America was in the
late
> > sixties, early seventies)
>
> Proto-fascist? Actually there was an immense feeling of freedom and
> safety among the middle-class white protesters (notwithstanding a few
> Kent State type incidents) as they marched to the very front door of the
> Pentagon without fear of getting shot. Try doing that today.
>
> P.
>
>
> >
> > In the end the hippies were just humans, like everyone else bound to
error
> > and failure. It's just an ideology but what makes "socialism" more
> > sympathetic than every other ideology is that it has a generally
positive
> > view of humans, contrary to capitalism that sees humans only as part of
the
> > production line & as consumers and fascism that sees humans as generally
bad
> > & egoistic who must be terrorised to serve the state.
> >
> > Which is why I like Orwell's "Left of the Left"- notion.
> >
> > Love & Peace
> >
> > Otto
> >
>