NP Ebonics (was It ain't only Rock & Roll, it's Jazz too)

[David Morris]

--- davemarc <davemarc at panix.com> wrote:
> From: David Morris <fqmorris at yahoo.com>
> 
> > > > Amen!  Talk about enslavement.  Too many poor inner city black children
already face a tough uphill battle to be educated out of their "cultural"
legacies: illiterate parents and peers who place little value on education. 
They don't need to be taught ghetto-talk.  They already know it by heart.   And
to suggest that it be embraced as a standard is absurd.
> >
> I previously responded to this by saying "There might be a big straw man
here."   To clarify:
> 
> David seems to presume that Ebonics policies (such as the ones outlined and
> clarified in the links I provided) have to do with teaching something called
> "ghetto talk."  (I don't really feel comfortable with that term.)  

When did I ever talk about Ebonics.  Ebonics is a fiction.  Ax Terrance.
I was talking about the value of Standards Grammer.  If you want to start an
Ebonics thread, don't assume we'll all play along.  If you want to arguee that
something called Ebonics is equal to SE, you first have to make a case beyond
saying that teaching SE as primary denigrates Ebonics or ghetto-talk.  No one
even knows what Ebonics is.

> To, uh, harp on the musical comparison, it's like teaching classical music to
jazz musicians without disparaging jazz.

The only good jazz musicians know the rule of classical music, if only
intuitively.

David Morris

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