Religious Fundamentalism in Orwell and Pynchon

[Otto]

> >
> > What we've been discussing is whether Pynchon meant to allude to
> > 9/11 and Bush's government (and if so, what he's actually saying
> < about them), or whether he didn't, and that what he has written
> > simply evokes 9/11 and Bush for some readers, though not for
>> others.<<<
> >
> > And the arguments for allusion become increasingly vague when the
> > question is posed, "What point is being made with the allusions,
> > and what is the support for these points in the essay?"
> > Nothing but no-replies to this specific question.
> > A lot of 'evidence' for allusions. Zilch evidence for the
> > point of them. None. From anyone.
>

It's one thing to say that one doesn't see any reference 
or allusion in the foreword, but it's shitty to say 
"the other side" has presented nothing when in fact there 
has been a lot of stuff, many quotes, good arguments etc.

We have provided the parts of the foreword we believe 
he's alluding to post-9/11-USA.

We have said that it's a warning because today a 
Big-Brother-state *would be* a much bigger threat 
then at Orwell's time. I think this is the point he makes 
since at least 1984 (The Luddite-essay).
It's *would be* not *is* already. Saddam's Iraq has 
been a Big-Brother-state, but more in the orwellian sense 
(the goofy moustache tyrants Hitler, Stalin and Saddam).

> Against my better judgement perhaps ... I beg to differ. I've no
> intention of knocking myself out on this one (again) so you'll have to
> content yourself with re-reading what I wrote last time. Your baseless
> assertion is a good example of how history might be written: say
> something enough times and hope it's accepted as 'truth'. Happens quite
> often round these parts, I've noticed. As John Ford might have put it,
> the legend is bigger than the facts.
>

John Ford: the legend is bigger than the facts:
How the West Was Won
http://www.allmovie.com/cg/avg.dll?p=avg&sql=B90133

Lot of re-written history in those movies that made us 
little boys play cowboys vs indians before we saw 
"Soldier Blue" or "Little Big Man":

America is quite good in re-writing history.

Otto