What makes avant-garde avant-garde?

[pynchonoid]

I see they're still working the bugs out of that
automatic language translation software. I wonder what
this might have said in its original language version.

 
> I think the problem is that innovation/invention do
> not necessarily denote a
> "movement" or "revolution" which was a very
> conscious aspect of the French and
> Russian Avant Gardes.  It has something to do with
> the defiance of an accepted
> mode, and as such takes on the camaraderie of an
> army with its own acceptable
> non-conformity (which really is funny because it
> creates its own new
> conformity).  This is very different than a
> "zeitgeist" which is usually only
> recognizable after it has become a common mode, but
> begins with a "new"
> aesthetic.  Some would argue that the present
> zeitgeist is "Postmodernism"
> which is by no means a "movement."
> 
> David Morris
> 
> --- "Vincent A. Maeder" <vmaeder at cyhc-law.com>
> wrote:
> > Malignd wrote >I think the term is meaningless, a
> perhaps once-useful term
> that no longer has currency except in historic
> terms; e.g., in speaking of what
> was once considered avant-garde.<
> > 
> > The concept of invention, evolution and revolution
> in art and literature
> still has purpose.  Perhaps it is difficult to parse
> such changes until after
> the events have occurred.  For the sake of argument,
> assume we can recognize
> significant and important innovation in literature;
> what would it look like? 
> Unless it's one of those, "I know it when I see it"
> thingies...
> > 
> > I would hazard to say that if such a concept
> "seems now precious, even
> ludicrous" that we are saying literature is dead; or
> at least in code awaiting
> the defibrillation of genius.
> 
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