VLVL "the Movement"

[Ghetta Life]

>From: jbor <jbor at bigpond.com>
>
>on 14/4/04 12:08 AM, Malignd wrote:
> > My argument hasn’t been one of when the coordinated front fell apart; 
>rather, that there never was a coordinated front
>
>Your argument has been that "strife" and disorganisation in the student 
>movement was always "the case", and that there never was any cohesiveness 
>between the various groups which comprise what is commonly referred to as 
>"the counterculture". I disagree with you.

I think the second part of jbor'statement above is correct, but only if you 
replace "counterculture" with the word "Movement."  I think the first part 
of his statement above is a mischaracterization of MalignD's earlier point.  
See below:

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http://waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l&month=0404&msg=89897&sort=date

jbor:
<<I think it's fair enough to say that by the end of '68 and into 1969 [...] 
-- all these things and more were sounding the death knell of "the 
Movement".>>

MalignD:
It might be fair, but it's inaccurate, in that it assumes a unity 
in--God--the "movement"--that was
never the case.  You're noting and mourning the death of a figment.
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I agree that there was never any unified "Movement," student or otherwise.  
There were numerous protest causes,  the Vietnam War and Civil Rights being 
the two chief ones.  They had a common enemy, US "establishment."  But they 
were never a united front and their protests were mostly separate events.  
(I don't think amny white youths ever joined in with the urban race riots)  
The fact that poor blacks were over-represented in the troops was a concrete 
reason for blacks to also be anti-war.  But to say that they were not a 
unified "Movement" is not equal to saying that they were always selfishly at 
odds.  Where their agendas melded they could find common ground for 
cooperation.

Ghetta

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