VLVL the collapse of the Youth Movement

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> Weed dies because Brock is jealous and enraged. He can't
> control Frenesi's pussy and that makes him angry.

There's nothing in the text to support these statements.

> Rex was in place and
> operative. 

Ditto.

>> The other point I've made several times now is that Brock is also guilty
> 
> "also guilty"?

Of course. He supplies Frenesi with the gun. That's beyond the scope of his
job, and it's not something which he or Frenesi tell the grand jury (even
though it is "his" grand jury p. 199).

I've said it a number of times, but I'm happy to repeat it: in a court of
law, if all the facts were known, then Rex, Frenesi and Brock would each be
convicted and sent to gaol. But it's Frenesi who is the lynch-pin. Without
her active and voluntary activity as the go-between Rex would not have
believed that Weed was a snitch, he would not have had the gun, and Weed
would not have been shot. By any measure (that of all the other characters
in the text, and of somewhere in the vicinity of 99.9% of readers, for
example) she is the one most responsible.

> I'm afraid you've managed to confuse the plot of Vineland with
> what actually happened in the sixties, as if College of the
> Surf and PR3 are in any way representative of some putative
> "hippies" and  the "Youth Movement." Perhaps there are some
> resemblances to some people, but you have not made the case
> that College of the Surf and PR3 are to be considered anything
> more than fiction. In fact, the author makes it clear that they
> are not representative of the more noteworthy activism of the
> 60's, or its cause.

Is that so? And precisely where in the text does the author make that clear?

I think that because Pynchon's critique of the '60s Youth Movement doesn't
match with your ridiculously one-eyed viewpoint, you've been clutching at
any straw, no matter how much it contradicts the previous one (It's really a
fake text! It's really a glorious paean to feminism! It's really just a tv
parody! Frenesi's really a heroine! Rex and Weed are really the FBI stooges!
It's not really about the '60s at all!), in order to try to rewrite it to
represent something -- anything -- other than what it does.

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