the debate that never ends

[Ghetta Life]

Peter Eisenmen is a pompous egomaiacal ass.  And this quote below is 
meaningless drivel.

Ghetta

>From: pynchonoid <pynchonoid at yahoo.com>
>
>http://www.katarxis3.com/Alexander_Eisenman_Debate.htm#Introduction
>
>Contrasting Concepts of Harmony in Architecture:
>The 1982 Debate Between Christopher Alexander and Peter Eisenman An Early 
>Discussion of the "New Sciences" of Organised Complexity in Architecture
>
>[...] Up until about 1600, most of the world views
>that existed in different cultures did see man and the
>universe as more or less intertwined and inseparable
>... either through the medium of what they called God
>or in some other way. But all that was understood. The
>particular intellectual game that led us to discover
>all the wonders of science forced us to abandon
>temporarily that idea. In other words, in order to do
>physics, to do biology, we were actually taught to
>pretend that things were like little machines because
>only then could you tinker with them and find out what
>makes them tick. That's all fine. It was a tremendous
>endeavor, and it paid off.
>
>But it may have been factually wrong. That is, the
>constitution of the universe may be such that the
>human self and the substance that things made out of,
>the spatial matter or whatever you call it, are much
>more inextricably related than we realized. Now, I am
>not talking about some kind of aboriginal primitivism.
>I am saying that it may actually be a matter of fact
>that those things are more related than we realize.
>And that we have been trained to play a trick on
>ourselves for the last 300 years in order to discover
>certain things. Now, if that's true -- there are
>plenty of people in the world who are beginning to say
>it is, by the way, certainly in physics and other
>related subjects -- then my own contribution to that
>line of thought has to do with these structures of
>sameness that I have been talking about.[...]

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