Semiotics, Jodorowski / GRGR 1, 7

[Michael Bailey]

John Doe, Ghetta Life, and Michael Hussman traded eights:
> > > Clearly YOU must read recipes,  instructions for use on the back of
> >>products; do you always question the intended meaning of THOSE "texts"?
> >
> >Sometimes I wonder what is meant, sometimes I am reasonably sure. But I may
> >be wrong anyway.
> >
>
> At least you acknowledge that you might be *wrong*.

I don't know music like Charlie Parker did, so to claim that I know
exactly what he was getting at would be fatuous.  I'm mostly
unhindered by that thought

Likewise, I sometimes alter a recipe - if the people I'm cooking for
don't complain,  is that wrong?  Corn in the pancakes won't play for
certain people (my wife certainly, for one) , though I like it.

There are people who think a bare breast is inspiring, but that a big
spectacle where brawny talented guys risk life and limb to do
something inconsequential in stadiums paid for by taxes on working
people is obscene; and then there are people who think the opposite is
true

Like other spectacles, the novel is subject to all sorts of
interpretations; an author must be hardy (isn't he the one who wrote
"Love me little, love me long, is the burden of my song"?) indeed to
brave the possibility of misunderstanding

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James Kyllo wrote
> This thread lost me a long time ago - and I don't see where Jodorowski
> comes into it - but Santa Sangre is one of my favourite films ever.
> An excellent soundtrack album too.
>
> Without a lot of familiarity with his other films, I'd guess that
> "upbeat without a lot of violence" is not a genre he's worked much in.
>

My mention of Jodorowski was an upwelling from a previous thread, on a
filmic GR; i nosed around and found some Jodorowski anecdotes,
wondered why I never heard of him before
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GRGR 1,7 - a) the dog may be descended from the famous Talking Dog
b) what Pointsman is doing, thinking it is cutting edge science, is
similar to a thing that dog fanciers call "training" - but not as
nice, or useful
c) analogy between the use of quantitative techniques depersonalizing
Pointsman's relationship with the dog, and Gloaming's use of same on
seance data
d) a desire to find the same tendency in big parts of the War/Commerce
gestalt - clumsy use of new techniques?
e) Pointsman's idolatry of "the Book" indicative of this same tendency
to ignore well-marked humanistic values (any of a number of
life-affirming traditions) and instead live by the partial revelations
of an incomplete scientific understanding
f) hearkening back to 1,6, "a certain high-class vivisectionist" at
their destination is revealed to be Pointsman.  Referring to him as
such may reveal an antipathy towards his praxis on the part of the
narrator, and perhaps even Pynchon.
g) OTOH, in 1,6 the "vivisectionist" phrase is embedded in
scene-setting for the drive, with Roger hunched over like Dracula. 
The gestalt is different in 1,7 with a battlefield being invoked
(laths broken like chevrons, the balaclava like a knight's
thingummy, Roger as a gillie) --
h) there's a suggestion (well, I'm making one) that Jessica's sense of
humor is warping the narrative in each case to hyperdramatize
humorously