Glenn cited: >http://www.uturn.org/Crook/CRKSTORYpdf.pdf now Art's a guy who could hear Gwenhidwy sing the bass part to "Diadem" in Stoke Poges for you - I like the guy, about 1/2 way into the story now ------------ about half the time when I read V. I was thinking of Mondaugen as "Moondoggie"