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jbor wrote:
>Subject: Putz: The Art of the Acronym
>Nifty little essay (pdf available);

where?  I really did look.

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Ghetta Life wrote:
>To whom is this new bomb "Most Secret?"  Not to Pirate, and 
>not to Slothup (so it would seem).  Obviously this is being kept
secret >from the British public, most likely to supress possible panic.
 That >does not necesarily mean that this is the first one to strike
London.

True dat. The Banana Breakfasts are a daily thing, so the sandwich
Bloat's toting doesn't have to be from _that_ breakfast
- it could be later, or earlier, for that matter

But if it isn't the same day, then Slothrop saw Pirate (in 1,4, which I
haven't perused much yet, but the new orders were in his in-basket
BEFORE lunch, so either the orders preceded Bloat, or it's not the same
day) on a different errand.  He (Pirate) could be getting multiple
messages - having picked up 1 on the day of 1,1 - and another on the
day Slothrop sees him ("windburned face, big mean mother" p20, ln
28-29)

My sense of time is pretty Oneiric in my own life, for certain periods.

But I'm trying to get the GR details straight. (-:

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Glenn Scheper wrote:
>Subject: GRGR: in hoc signo vinces

>N.B. You must get linear algebra (vector math) to compete in this 
>field! 

in computerized surfing yes but,
------ it wouldn't hurt in Pynchon either, would it?
I don't have a lot of the formal tools to the extent I'd like to.  But
I really liked the book, and we all do calculus in our heads when
driving, calculating the paths of the other cars etc

>The P list doing a group read operates kind of like these automata:
>We attempt to "cluster" related P ideas, given our world knowledge.

>A salient point of the PDF above, was that domain expertise is needed
>in order to establish just what "features" to value, and weight them.

yes, that's a "meta" question for the whole read.  (Backing up even
further than the title) (btw, I had no ideas about the title.  I'm glad
some people did)

>I think it would be great if we could throw up some categorization
>schemes that we personally value to feed the group imagination !!!

(eg cross, yin-yang, wheel turning (tarot)
fun / anhedonism
the radiant hour / the moment of terror
truth / lies
poetry /prose
one's divination of Pynchon's intent / one's own reaction to the words

with the sine wave idea you sparked a notion, maybe there's a
discernible oscillation between states in the book (even at the end we
have the song, which is pretty nice) 

I sort of like the spiral notion, for the DNA connection, but also like
I said, because of the Slinky image - get a stainless steel Slinky, put
it on that flight of stairs under a stained glass window, and there's a
succession of rainbows to look at as it obeys gravity.

>Now the four horses of Revelation (white, red, black, and GREEN),

you can get a rainbow out of those, can't you?

>when I blew myself through the engine cylinder I was rebuilding,

like Otto the Porsche scene in Vineland?  No I guess that was the
carburetor.  what kinda car?  

>How do we consider gender? Yin/yang duality naively suggests the
>male and female are opposites. Yet a physical androgyne suggests
>they are two different axes, though perhaps not very independent.

x co-ordinates for female characters, y co-ordinates for male?

>a Tiresias-like female experience, at least, of symbolic import.

the blind seer, when asked, said sex was better as a female, didn't he?

>There is the (D&G anti-oedipus?) production of flows (e.g, milk,
>shit), and the cutting-off from the continuous stream of flows.

who are D&G?
flows - Orgone as well, I don't remember a direct mention in Pynchon
tho

>There is the possibility of God, and an overlay of a judgment.

and Pynchon's reworking(s) of Protestant theology throughout

>And then, there is Pynchon...

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1,3 - anybody find any puns or jokes?

p17, ln 22-23 parenthetical (provisional pyramids erected to gratify
curious gods' offspring indeed) - referring to sandbags around the
entrance, stacked I guess.  How would this protect against bombs?  I
guess maybe a nearby hit would throw a lot of debris, and the sandbags
would take the hit, protecting the windows of the 1st floor?
a bit of purple prose, anyway.  In this trope, the gods' offspring
(Pharaohs) for whom the pyramids were created would be the ACHTUNG
hierarchy?  The gratification would be a feeling of security?  There
might be some more bananas to be plucked from this metaphor, but I'm
not finding them atm - 

p 17 line 11 - Grosvenor Square (where years later, Jerry Garcia would
have an enigmatic encounter and write "Scarlet Begonias")

Slothrop's mother, Nalline p18, ln 19-20 - no mention of Pirate's
mother ever in the book, i don't think...but in rapid succession
Bloat's and then Slothrop's mothers appear.

>From Google dictionary: nalline [n]
1)	a narcotic antagonist (trade name Nalline) that counteracts the
effects of narcotics (especially the effects of poisoning by morphine)

puzzle pieces (p 18 - ln 27-31) - from different puzzles

the amber left eye of a Weimaraner
   - dam' fine looking dogs; also, hint of the Weimar Republic?

the green velvet folds of a gown

slate-blue veining in a distant cloud

the orange nimbus of an explosion (perhaps a sunset)

rivets in the skin of a Flying Fortress
       - if these are silvery they might be reflecting something
violet,  then we'd have ROYGBV

the pink inner thigh of a pouting pin-up girl
     - if it's just one puzzle piece then maybe the scene is a garage
(Hicks's Garage in Mingeborough - probably not) and the calendar is on
the wall, rendered small enough to see both the thigh and the pout

no mention of a current jigsaw project, though - maybe the map's taken
over where that left off

anyway, sounds like there's a fair bit of slack time in that office