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[François Monti]

jbor at bigpond.com wrote:

> On 13/10/2005, at 1:29 AM, François Monti wrote:
>
>> Well, I'd argue that postmodernism being a theory about the world we 
>> live in as well as being the tag applied to our era (or at least the 
>> post WWII era), people who live(d) in the era are/were, consciously 
>> or not, postmodernists. They might have no clue about this 
>> "philosophical construct", but if this construct bears any 
>> resemblance to the "real" world, then they are postmodernists.
>
>
> I think this is a misunderstanding of postmodernism. Yes, 
> postmodernist writers and theorists observe, describe, critique a 
> world (or worlds) labelled as postmodern, but it doesn't then follow 
> that everybody in that world is also a postmodernist theorist. Just 
> because they're studied by microbiologists doesn't qualify parameciums 
> as microbiologists. ... And George Bush sure ain't no postmodernist.


Well, if they live in a postmodern world, and a theory is built on a 
postmodern world by people you call postmodernists, thean I'd assume 
that "normal" (non-theorists) people are affected by this PoMo world 
they live to the point that they actually are in the "pomo condition". 
If not, then what kind of theory is it that observes a world where 
everyone acts in a way that has nothing to do with said theory? I do not 
believe either that postmodernists theorist are just "critique" of PoMo 
world(s). They are also theoricians of this world, whose works have come 
handy to justify relativism and the whole "there is no truth", 
everything is true and nothing is true at the same time. That's why I 
actually think you are maybe the only one to have been consistent in the 
ID debate, what with not going the "evolution is great, ID is stupid" 
way, because you know exactly that, in postmodern theories, there is no 
objectivity in science, the theories are construction based on arbitrary 
postulates, a knowledge based on social pressure or religious 
convictions. Which leads us to say that neither of both theories can be 
said true. I was very surprised to see other people defend evolution 
with much violence and then going on about postmodernism. Well I guess 
contradictions are a very postmodern thing...

F.