Brevity's Raincheck

Thu Aug 17 16:44:25 CDT 2006

David Kipen's enjoyable list:

V. (Stravinsky's Rite of Spring, Eric Dolphy, Clifford
Brown) 
The Crying of Lot 49 (Bartok's Concerto for Orchestra)
Gravity's Rainbow (Charlie Parker's Cherokee; assorted
Rossini, 
Beethoven,
Webern)
Slow Learner (John Barry's James Bond scores?)
Vineland (Bach's *Sleeper's Awake *cantata)
Mason & Dixon (assorted Quantz)
Against the Day (??????????)

To Which I'd add:
V. (as I've said before, Ornette Coleman, particularly
the Shape of Jazz to Come. Just look at that ivory
(actually, it's plastic) saxophone!)
GR (Just about anything Tin-Pan Alley, Gershwin, Kern,
Arlen, and above all, Gilbert & Sullivan)
AtD (I'd second the suggestion about Ives, and send
you out to find a copy of Harry Smith's Anthology of
American Folk Music, even if it didn't have anything
to do with AtD, which it very well might)

-Chris

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> pynchon-l-digest      Thursday, August 17 2006     
> Volume 02 : Number 4704
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> 
> 
> rushdie defends grass
> Re: AtD and morbid, diseased conditions #2
> Re: rushdie defends grass
> Re: AtD blurb - "false" religiosity?
> Re: AtD blurb - "false" religiosity?
> Re: AtD blurb - "false" religiosity?
> Guardian breaks news of new Pynchon novel
> Re: AtD blurb - "false" religiosity?
> Re: AtD blurb - "false" religiosity?
> Re: AtD blurb - "false" religiosity?
> Re: Re: AC
> Re: AtD blurb - "false" religiosity?
> ATD:  what won't be in it?
> Re: AtD blurb - "false" religiosity?
> Re: AtD and morbid, diseased conditions #2
> Re: A Bogus New 9-11
> Re: Re: A Bogus New 9-11
> Re: AtD and morbid, diseased conditions #2
> AtD dilemma
> Brevity's Raincheck
> Re: AtD blurb - "false" religiosity?
> Re: Brevity's Raincheck
> Re: AtD and 9/11
> Re: AtD blurb - "false" religiosity?
> ATD: Re: Brevity's Raincheck
> 
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> Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 16:18:54 +0100
> From: "P  Taylor" <neon.taylor at gmail.com>
> Subject: rushdie defends grass
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> Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 16:30:18 +0100
> From: "Paul Nightingale" <isread at btopenworld.com>
> Subject: Re: AtD and morbid, diseased conditions #2
> 
> More on the Western, from Deborah L Madsen (1998)
> American Exceptionalism,
> Edinburgh UP ...
> 
> Madsen begins by describing exceptionalism in terms
> of the "spiritual and
> political destiny" of New England Puritans: "In this
> view the New World is
> the last and best chance offered by God to a fallen
> humanity" (1-2).
> 
> So recall Medoro's reference to Bercovitch's The
> American Jeremiad: "... the
> jeremiads, or political sermons, rhetorically
> transformed America into the
> second site of Eden and placed it under the prospect
> of God's punishing
> wrath" (The Bleeding of America, 2), anxiety framed
> in terms of a new
> beginning, death and rebirth, "the cyclical idea of
> shedding the past and
> starting over [that] conjures up the imagery or
> language surrounding
> menstruation" (7).
> 
> From Madsen's Ch5, "the so-called Turner Thesis" in
> which Frederick Jackson
> Turner "defines the West not as a geographical place
> or region but as a
> process, a process that arises from and defines a
> unique American
> character". The frontier as such no longer existed
> ... and "Turner's thesis
> offers historical justification for a concept of the
> West that is informed
> by the imperialist assumptions of the ideology of
> Manifest Destiny.
> 
> "This ideology and Turner's conception of the
> frontier as a meeting of
> savagery and civilisation find expression in the
> ever-popular
> twentieth-century form: the Western."
> 
> Having noted that the Wild West was already
> disappearing as it became
> mythologised, Madsen concludes here: "The
> controlling irony of the Western
> is rooted in the nostalgic, elegiac conditions of
> its creation. The Western
> is a product of the twentieth century - the first
> Western was Owen Wister's
> The Virginian (1902) - and this century's desire to
> construct for itself a
> noble if doomed past." (122-123)
> 
> Madsen has left out the C19th 'dime novel' (and
> others) in beginning with
> Wister, precisely because Wister is looking back to
> "a vanished world" (the
> novelist's own definition (cited, 125).
> 
> On Wister's own experiences as a young man gone
> west, see: G. White Edward
> (1989) The Eastern Establishment and the Western
> Experience: The West of
> Frederic Remington, Theodore Roosevelt, and Owen
> Wister, Yale UP / UT Press.
> Wister's hero, it seems, is invariably a
> 'tenderfoot' (or indeed 'pumpkin
> roller').
> 
> More later from: Richard Slotkin (1993) "Buffalo
> Bill's 'Wild West' and the
> Mythologization of the American Empire" in Amy
> Kaplan & Donald E. Pease eds,
> Cultures of United States Imperialism, Duke UP.
> 
> And in spite of the censorship she describes, Geller
> notes that the
> "controversial new genre, the western" might be
> accepted as "harmless
> adventure" (Forbidden Books, 87), which indicates a
> conscious downplaying of
> the ideology of exceptionalism.
> 
> And yes, coming back to this stuff in the light of
> P's title ...
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 11:53:19 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
> From: kelber at mindspring.com
> Subject: Re: rushdie defends grass
> 
> Correction of first sentence of article:
> 
> "As the furore surrounding Gunter Grass continues to
> mount ..."
> should read:  "As the fuhrer surrounding Gunter
> Grass continues to mount ..."
> 
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> >From: P  Taylor <neon.taylor at gmail.com>
> >Sent: Aug 17, 2006 11:18 AM
> >To: Pynchon-L <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> >Subject: rushdie defends grass
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>http://books.guardian.co.uk/news/articles/0,,1852419,00.html
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> >--pt
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> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 08:58:24 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Chris Broderick <elsuperfantastico at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: AtD blurb - "false" religiosity?
> 
> Keith sez:
> 
> I've given up on "true statements" whether Augustine
> laid anyone to  
> W.A.S.T.E. or not. I don't know shit, and I don't
> trust anyone who  
> claims they know shit.
> 
> So I sez: 
> 
> Pynchon put it well when he said that intelligence
> is
> about learning the shape of one's own ignorance. 
> I'm
> a happy atheist, and I don't think I'd bring
> anything
> to the table in terms of discerning "false" from
> 
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