The Ice Storm & GR & hardcore answers (& lateral thinking)

[Paul Mackin]

On Aug 31, 2006, at 6:57 AM, Tore Rye Andersen wrote:

> I'd never even considered that Moody spoke of anything but the  
> novel, but I can see that his comment on the references can be read  
> both ways. I am still, however, pretty sure that he spoke of GR  
> rather than Watergate - the whole emphasis of the quote seems to be  
> on the relationship between GR and The Ice Storm.
>
> And yes: Ang Lee's movie version of The Ice Storm is "pretty good"  
> - I'd even call it brilliant.


When all is said and done I would still like to know why, In GR,  
Nixon is  quoted as saying "What?" rather than "Wha."



> From:  "John Carvill" <JCarvill at algsoftware.com>
> To:  "Tore Rye Andersen" <torerye at hotmail.com>,<pynchon-l at waste.org>
> Subject:  RE: The Ice Storm & GR & hardcore answers (& lateral  
> thinking)
> Date:  Thu, 31 Aug 2006 11:38:20 +0100
> >Wow!
> >
> >First off, I (and others) had assumed that in Moody's statement,  
> "I think
> >there are only two references to it in the entire novel", that the  
> 'it' was Watergate, and the 'entire novel' meant GR. But reading  
> back over it again, your interpretation could indeed be what he meant.
> >
> >And very well spotted references to GR in Ice Storm. I enjoyed The  
> Ice Storm, actually I read it in one day whilst laid up in bed with  
> a cold and it really cheered me up. Then it was made into a really  
> pretty good film, Kevin Kline and Sigourney Weaver particularly  
> good in it, also Ricci and the other kids.
> >
> >Cheers
> >JC
> >
> >
> ><<From: Tore Rye Andersen
> >Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 11:21 AM
> >To: pynchon-l at waste.org
> >Subject: RE: The Ice Storm & GR & hardcore answers
> >
> >OK: I guess I'm more hardcore than Moody is, since I can spot more  
> than two references. Here are a couple of hardcore answers:
> >
> >The Ice Storm, p. 129: "they were all scattered like seeds, flying  
> outward from the primal fist of Europe long ago" refers to GR, p.  
> 170: "What if we're all Jews, you see? all scattered like seeds?  
> still flying outward from the primal fist so long ago."
> >
> >The Ice Storm, p. 192: The description of Fantastic Four #140  
> mentions "some extinct Negative Zone creatures, called Hereroes."  
> This may in fact be part of FF #140 - I don't know - but there is  
> surely an echo to GR's Zone-Hereros (see e.g. GR 315) as well.
> >
> >The Ice Storm, p. 216: "So Benjamin Hood left the way he had come,  
> trying to undo what faulty recollection he had of the evening's  
> mindless pleasures" - surely a reference to the famous original  
> title of GR (see also GR 270 & 681).
> >
> >The Ice Storm (p. 217): Benjamin Hood drives home from the key  
> party: "This drive home. Holy Center Approaching" - cf. Slothrop &  
> Närrisch's rescue of Der Springer in Peenemünde: "Holy-Center- 
> Approaching is soon to be the number one Zonal pastime" (GR, p. 508).
> > >>
> >
> >
> >
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