GR & "absent" Holocaust

pynchonoid pynchonoid at yahoo.com
Fri Dec 15 10:50:54 CST 2006


"David Morris":
>So there!  You Holocaust deniers!


I'm not sure who you're calling a Holocaust
denier,"Morris".

Sorry, I forgot to include that list of Dora
references in my challenge to "Morris" to sh*t or get
off the pot, and explain how there's no representation
of the Holocaust in Gravity's Rainbow.

I guess I just don't understand how the Holocaust is
in fact "absent" from GR.  Maybe some really smart
p-listers can explain it, because I'm certain that
"Morris" won't be able to, not without help:

cf. for starters:

from the Amazon.com index to GR:

  1-9 of 9 pages with references to  Dora:

1. on Page 289:
"... Shops and dwellings here are all long- looted by
the slave laborers liberated from the Dora camp. Lotta
those fags still around, with baskets and 175 badges
out on display, staring moistly from doorways. ..."
2. on Page 296:
"... to spend extravagant sums is rarely disappointed
. Micro knows the secret doors to rock passages that
lead through to Dora, the prison camp next to the
Mittelwerke. ..."
3. on Page 299:
"... When the Dora prisoners went on their rampage,
the light bulbs in the rocket works were the first to
go: before food, before ..."
4. on Page 428:
"... He knew about Nordhausen, and the Dora camp: he
could see-the starved bodies, the eyes of the foreign
prisoners being marched to work at four in the ..."
5. on Page 430:
"... children shouted to each other. Summer ended.
Back at the Mittelwerke he tried, and kept trying, to
get into the Dora camp and find Ilse. ..."
6. on Page 431:
"... relax some, move through the day's routine, wait
for the end, even allow himself to hope that the
thousands in Dora would soon be free, among them Ilse,
some acceptable Ilse. . . . But in the spring, he did
see ..."
7. on Page 432:
"... spring air, tall trees sunlit green on the
mountainsides. The Obersturmbannfhrer was not at his
post when Pkler went into Dora. He was not looking
for Ilse, or not exactly. He may have felt that he
ought to look, finally. ..."
8. on Page 665:
"... " They are 75s-homosexual prison-camp inmates.
They have come north from the Dora camp at Nordhausen,
north till the land ended, and have set up an all-male
community between this marsh and the ..."
9. on Page 666:
"... This phantom SS command here is based not so much
on the one that prisoners knew at Dora as on what they
inferred to be the Rocket-structure next door at the
Mittelwerke. The A4, in its way, was ..."

I guess that d-Dora camp wasn't part of the Holocaust?


--- pynchonoid <pynchonoid at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Sorry?  Who are you calling a Holocaust denier?  Not
> me, I hope.  
> 
> Serious question, really, for "Morris" or anybody
> else
> who cares to address it:  how is the Holocaust
> "absent" from GR given the presence of these, and
> perhaps other, direct references?
> 
> I've heard of statisticians who can prove - they've
> got the statistics - that Rhode Island is bigger
> than
> Texas, too. 
> 
> Come on, "Morris" - show your stuff.  How is the
> Holocaust "absent"?  Can you explain that?  I bet
> $1000 that you can't, not in any convincing way, and
> I'll send McMullen a check to hold in escrow while
> you
> dazzle us with your literary analytical skills.
> 
> Com on Morris, you've been taunting on this topic
> for
> years, put up or shut up.
> 
> 
> --- David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > So there!  You Holocaust deniers!
> > 
> > On 12/15/06, pynchonoid <pynchonoid at yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> > > Yes, what a strange claim, that the Holocaust
> > might actually be in GR, that indeed it might play
> a
> > role thaht might be considerd "central."
> > >
> > > Too bad sarcasm doesn't come across so well in
> > email.
> > >
> > > I guess I just don't understand how the
> Holocaust
> > is in fact "absent" from GR.  Maybe some really
> > smart p-listers can explain it.
> > 


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