New Murakami

[Rich Clavey]

Not to mention, Keiji Haino...no, wait a minute, he deals in sound...sorry...
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe Allonby" <joeallonby at gmail.com>
> To: kelber at mindspring.com
> Subject: Re: New Murakami
> Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 21:28:33 -0500
> 
> 
> I just got into a Murakami discussion while watching a baseball game in a
> pub named after a drunken Irish writer. Curiously, this is not an unusual
> event for me. This led to another Japanese guy named Kobo Abe. Do any of you
> guys know anything about this cat. He sounds interesting. Then again there
> is Hedeki Matsui.
> 
> On 6/27/06, kelber at mindspring.com <kelber at mindspring.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > >
> > >I've read The Wind-Up Bird Chronicle, but didn't find much resemblance to
> > Pynchon, save for the WWII references.  I had trouble getting through it.  I
> > thought he descended into cuteness (particularly in his characterizations of
> > the female characters), in a way Pynchon never does, and I can believe that
> > the spaghetti and lemon drop references were there more for quirkiness than
> > any real meaning.
> > >
> > >Laura
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >>From: Sean Mannion <third_eye_unmoved at hotmail.com>
> > >>Sent: Jun 27, 2006 1:51 PM
> > >>To: bekah0176 at sbcglobal.net, pynchon-l at waste.org
> > >>Subject: Re: New Murakami
> > >>
> > >>I can see the similarities and discontinuities in those points about
> > >>Murakami, but I think would probably err against using the term
> > surrealist
> > >>at all in characterising his work.
> > >>
> > >>With 'The Wind-Up Bird Chronicle' as an example, specifically the war
> > >>episodes (the Boris and 'Clumsy Massacre' threads), while there are
> > >>undisputedly elements of the fantastic present in these in terms of both
> > >>events and their transmission to the characters who experience them, it
> > >>would be a stretch to infer them as describing 'surrealist, alternative
> > >>realities' since it's made quite clear that they are episodes of
> > recalled
> > >>memory, of actual past experience, embedded in the main narrative (whose
> > >>realism, in turn, doesn't question their aunthenticity); they do not
> > belong
> > >>in an alternative reality - they are presented very much as constitute
> > (and
> > >>causal) fragments of an accurate past space/time; the absurd character
> > of
> > >>these descriptions of a past reality doesn't seem to ever challenge the
> > >>adequacy the description itself (to me, anyway), or the form, and so,
> > for
> > >>myself at least, I wouldn't call them surreal.
> > >>
> > >>As for the Borges comparison, I haven't read enough Borges to feel
> > qualfied
> > >>to comment. However, Murakami also gets compared to Brett Easton Ellis
> > on
> > >>the blurb on the vintage paperbacks i've read, but i've been
> > hard-pressed to
> > >>see that one clearly. Which would suggest either lazy reading or lazy
> > >>journalism....
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>From: bekah <bekah0176 at sbcglobal.net>
> > >>>To: MalignD at aol.com, pynchon-l at waste.org
> > >>>Subject: Re: New Murakami
> > >>>Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 17:52:04 -0700
> > >>>
> > >>>At 7:11 PM -0400 6/26/06, MalignD at aol.com wrote:
> > >>>>In a message dated 6/26/06 6:53:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > >>>>bekah0176 at sbcglobal.net writes:
> > >>>>
> > >>>><< The surrealist, alternative realities,  part.    In Kafka,  there's
> > a
> > >>>>story about fish falling from the sky and dual personalities (or
> > >>>>something)   And
> > >>>>in Wind-Up Bird I think the war episode in China was kind of surreal.
> > >>>>In
> > >>>>Borges' Ficciones  try  "Tlon, Uqbar, Orbis Tertius" (a fave),  "The
> > >>>>Garden of
> > >>>>Forking Paths,"  or any of them really. >>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Borges is rigorous, structured, intellectual, ironical.  Murakami is
> > >>>>free-roaming, instinctual, sensual.  I see no correspondence.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>I can see what you're saying and yes,  there are certainly differences,
> > but
> > >>>there are some similarities as well.
> > >>>It seems  they work with the same sort of things in two very different
> > >>>ways.   Fwiw,  Murakami is frequently said to have similarities to
> > Borges.
> > >>>  (I thought of it on my own but used some googling to see if I was way
> > off
> > >>>base or if others had sensed that.)
> > >>>
> > >>>Bekah
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> >

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