Granddaddy of em all; Ulysses

[Billy Genocide]

It's especially interesting to see the development of Stephen in "Scylla and
Charybdis." He seems to be composing the ideas for Ulysses itself at
moments. Also, the issue of flight and the bird imagery from Poor Trait of
the Artless begins to creep in, suggesting that Stephen has fallen back into
the labyrinth, but is soon going to attempt another escape. Buy, yes, in the
mean time he not the author of Ulysses but, as you said, an arrogant and
self-absorbed person stuck on his mother's death. Unmatured.

On 3/18/06, David Johnson <archaeology1 at earthlink.net> wrote:
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> I studied Ulysses twice with a local professor. In the novel Dedalus is
> not a very likeable person. He is
> drinking too much, arrogant, and self-aborbed with his intellectual ideas
> and guilt over his mother's
> death. Joyce is saying that if he wants to be a writer Dedalus is going to
> have to be more like Bloom.
> Get rid of his intellectual hang-ups and be more observant. Bloom because
> he is Jewish is not part of
> the Dublin pub crowd. He is an outsider. I think it is interesting how he
> deals with his wife's adultery.
> The pub crowd would say get a gun and confront them. Bloom's method is
> different. He lets the adultery
> happen with the idea that it will be a one time affair which it probably
> will be. I think Bloom is one of the
> most likeable and well developed characters in all literature. Bloom
> becomes Stephen's
> consubstantial father. He is not ready to write a book like Ulysses now,
> but one day, by meeting Bloom
> he may be able to.  Dave
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> From: Paul Mackin
> Sent: Mar 18, 2006 4:30 PM
> To: pynchon-l at waste.org
> Subject: Re: Granddaddy of em all; Ulysses
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>  On Mar 18, 2006, at 2:32 PM, hilary y wrote:
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> I am in the middle of the granddaddy of all, of the high modern novels;
> Ullysses and want any feedback any of you might have to say about reading
> that novel.
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> experiences, takes, etc.?
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> Haven't read it lately but have been listing to the 22 CD version as read
> by Jim Norton and Marcella Riordan (who reads only the Molly part). Sounds
> fine but the action comes much too fast to fully appreciate.
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