Pynchonesque Rushdie

[bekah]

I totally believe you Ya Sam,  because I loooove Foucault's Pendulum. 
The first time I read it,  I was just thoroughly engrossed.   The 
second time I laughed and laughed.   The Name of the Rose is probably 
the better novel but I personlly like FP better.

Bekah

At 6:47 PM +0300 10/9/06, Ya Sam wrote:
>You won't beleive me but 'Foucault's Pendulum' was actually fun to 
>me. If even 'painful' sometimes. Eco has a peculiar sense of humour 
>that might have been lost on Rushdie altogether. As for 
>'gobbledygook', well, Rushdie is full of it, all those 
>India-specific words you need a glossary to understand purposefully 
>encumbered one upon another in his novels. Finding out their 
>meanings have been painful to me, and that was not as rewarding as 
>finding out Eco's allusions. And to demote such a serious book as 
>'Foucault's Pendulum' to the rank of 'a computer game', that's 
>puerile to me. Rushdie, re-read the bloody book!!!
>
>>From: "Henry" <hmusikar at speakeasy.net>
>>To: pynchon-l at waste.org
>>Subject: Re:  Pynchonesque Rushdie
>>Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2006 15:26:00 +0000
>>
>>I agree with Rushdie on Eco. Eco was a great essayist and 
>>semiotician, and he was entertaining, e.g. fun, as such, but his 
>>novels give me a pain.
>>Rushdie, even when not great, is... fun! What's the matter with 
>>fun, i.e. Rossini? :-)
>>HM
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Ya Sam [mailto:takoitov at hotmail.com]
>>Sent: Monday, October 9, 2006 03:08 PM
>>To: torerye at hotmail.com, pynchon-l at waste.org
>>Subject: RE: Pynchonesque Rushdie
>>
>>What also surprised me is that despite his benevolence towards Pynchon
>>(especially his review about Vineland) he was incredibly hostile towards
>>Umberto Eco's 'Foucault's Pendulum'. That's his opinion, of course, but I
>>think that he was a bit unjust towards Eco, applying to his book categories
>>that were not relevant.
>>
>>just some snippets from 'Rushdie's Umberto Eco' in 'Imaginary Homelands',
>>Granta Books, 1991
>>
>>"Pynchon once wrote a short story called 'Under the Rose', its title an
>>Englishing of the Latin sub rosa. Foucault's pendulum, the obese new volume
>>from Umberto Eco, is an illuminatus-novel for the end of the eighties, a
>>post-modernist conspiracy fiction about, I suppose, the world under the name
>>of the rose. It is, i regret to report, a very faint Eco indeed of those old
>>Pynchonian high jinks. It is humourless, devoid of characterization,
>>entirely free of anything resembling a credible spoken word, and
>>mind-numbingly full of gobbledygook of all sorts. Reader: I hated it." (p.
>>270)
>>
>>"And, because he's [Eco] enough of an intellectual to know that hokum is
>>hokum, he has not written an 'innocent' late-sixties illuminatus-novel, but
>>a 'knowing' version, a fiction about the creation of a piece of junk fiction
>>that then turns knowingly into that piece of junk fiction. Foucault's
>>Pendulum is not a novel. It is a computer game'. (271)
>>
>>
>>My comment would be that I enjoyed 'Midnight's Children' a lot. But
>>'Shalimar the Clown' is a clownish book about a clown whose author has
>>become a literary clown by abusing his old repertoir of clownery.
>>
>>
>>
>>>From: "Tore Rye Andersen" <torerye at hotmail.com>
>>>To: takoitov at hotmail.com, pynchon-l at waste.org
>>>Subject: RE: Pynchonesque Rushdie
>>>Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2006 16:41:24 +0200
>>>
>>>Yep, I totally agree - perhaps they should have been more Pynchonesque,
>>>embarrassingly or not.
>>>
>>>
>>>>From: "Ya Sam" <takoitov at hotmail.com>
>>>>To: torerye at hotmail.com, pynchon-l at waste.org
>>>>Subject: RE: Pynchonesque Rushdie
>>>>Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2006 14:42:09 +0300
>>>>
>>>>Last novels by Rushdie came out as simply embarassing.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>From: "Tore Rye Andersen" <torerye at hotmail.com>
>>>>>To: pynchon-l at waste.org
>>>>>Subject: Pynchonesque Rushdie
>>>>>Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2006 09:49:31 +0200
>>>>>
>>>>>Salman Rushdie has sold two unpublished novels from the 1970s to Emory
>>>>>University, Atlanta. One of these, 'The Antagonist', was, according to
>>>>>Rushdie, "embarrassingly Pynchonesque."
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.mumbaimirror.com/nmirror/search/mmsearch.asp?query=&sectid=5&articleid=10820062118101082006211647265&pubyear=2006&pubday=9&pubmth=10
>>  >>>
>>>>>I wonder whether Pynchon's scrapped novel from the 1970s, 'The Japanese
>>>>>Insurance-Adjustor', was also "embarrassingly Pynchonesque"....
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
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