authors influenced by Pynchon
Chris Broderick
elsuperfantastico at yahoo.com
Mon Oct 16 11:39:01 CDT 2006
pynchonoid mentioned:
So the hallmarks of "Pynchon influence" seem to be:
- -deals with historical fact with a focus on 20th
century history (esp WWII) but within a fictional
context
- -deals with science and technology, and how they shape
culture
- -obviously learned, with references and allusions to a
vast spectrum of literature and other art works
- -encyclopedic
- -complex, cast of thousands, difficult to read
What else?
So I sez:
2 huge things that I don't believe any of the authors mentioned as 'Pynchon influenced' share:
-Musical numbers
-Schtick
Am I wrong about that?
As for the names often mentioned, I agree that, to my mind DFW is the most Pynchonesque author that I've read, not that he's much like Pynchon in his approach, style or themes. I often believe that reviewers call something Pynchonesque when it is dense and complicated. E.g. someone like Richard Powers, who to my mind doesn't seem much like Pynchon at all, other than his scientific literacy.
-Chris
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Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 02:24:49 +0300
From: "Ya Sam" <takoitov at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: authors influenced by Pynchon
Last month, Flemish author Paul Verhaeghen was awarded the 2005 F. Bordewijk
Prize for fiction, a prestigious Dutch award that was won by fellow WWB
blogger Arnon Grunberg last year.
Verhaeghen won for OMEGA MINOR, a massive, all-encompassing epic about the
consequences of World War II. The book has been compared to the works of
Thomas Pynchon, David Foster Wallace, and Richard Powers. Great company to
keep, and based on what I’ve read of the book, completely accurate.
Don't bother Googling P.V. for the English version quite yet. Dalkey’s going
to be publishing this in 2007, in P.V.'s own translation. We discovered the
book on an editorial trip to Amsterdam last fall and got the rights after a
major American novelist enthusiastically recommended it.
http://forums.wordswithoutborders.org/?q=node/105
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Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 18:25:58 -0500
From: "Daniel Julius" <daniel.julius at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: pynchonesque church
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Wow.
The composition of these is incredible. My initial favorite is #8; look at
that color and framing! I am still a helpless sucker for symmetry. It's my
fatal flaw. I love the title, too. A user on IMDB said that there's no
narration or dialogue, but is there a soundtrack at all? even a sparse one?
On a similar thematic note, did you see that Richard Linklater is adapting
_Fast Food Nation_? I read the book when it first came out, and I'm
semi-interested in seeing it onscreen. I saw the trailer for it, and they
quote from the text verbatim (eg "there's shit in the meat").
Thank you, though, Dave. I'm definitely gonna track this down when it comes
to Chicago. It hasn't been released in America yet, right?
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<div>Wow.</div>
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<div>The composition of these is incredible. My initial favorite is #8; look at that color and framing! I am still a helpless sucker for symmetry. It's my fatal flaw. I love the title, too. A user on IMDB said that there's no narration or dialogue, but is there a soundtrack at all? even a sparse one?
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<div> </div>
<div>On a similar thematic note, did you see that Richard Linklater is adapting _Fast Food Nation_? I read the book when it first came out, and I'm semi-interested in seeing it onscreen. I saw the trailer for it, and they quote from the text verbatim (eg "there's shit in the meat").
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<div>Thank you, though, Dave. I'm definitely gonna track this down when it comes to Chicago. It hasn't been released in America yet, right?</div>
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Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 02:31:11 +0300
From: "Ya Sam" <takoitov at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: authors influenced by Pynchon
Naast verwijzingen naar Paul Austers “New York trilogie”, is de gelijkenis
met het werk van Thomas Pynchon treffend. “Zwerm” bulkt van de fascinatie
voor wetenschap en technologie, en net als in de boeken van Pynchon is een
complottheorie de stuwende kracht achter het verhaal.
Deze link naar de Amerikaanse grootmeester is jammer genoeg ook de zwakte
van het boek.
http://www.cuttingedge.be/books/verhelst/zwerm
Peter Verhelst
Swarm (Zwerm)
A kaleidoscope of our present-day world
In Zwerm (‘Swarm’) Peter Verhelst has generated a kaleidoscope of the
violence, commotion, tense relationships, conflicts and outbursts of our
present-day world. Some storylines refer to real events such as the My Lai
massacre of the Vietnam War or the attack on the Twin Towers, both
manifestations of mindless violence. However, Verhelst recreates reality in
the form of a literary thriller that has been assembled in fragments, like a
film. Some characters are grafted on to controversial figures who were
briefly newsworthy.
Most are fictional: a young computer nerd who makes viruses and is traced
through sophisticated techniques because of the secret he carries, his
kidnapped girlfriend, a pianist, an Israeli scientist who has to abandon his
family at a critical moment and assume a new identity. Their lives
intermittently overlap in a world that seems overrun by electronic detection
and espionage, computer crime, international political conspiracies and
terrorism, war crimes, liquidations, and cover-ups. The action takes place
mainly in Europe and the United States, Israel and Palestine.
http://www.nlpvf.nl/book/book2.php?Book=486
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Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 02:34:04 +0300
From: "Ya Sam" <takoitov at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: authors influenced by Pynchon
By John Dolan
Diss Nietzsche and Die
The Clay Machine-Gun
by Victor Pelevin
translated by Andrew Bromfield
London: Faber & Faber
1999
Victor Pelevin is not so much a writer as a symptom. His popularity--Clay
Machine-Gun has already sold 200,000 copies--cannot be explained as the
result of his talent, for he has no great gifts. His success has to do
rather with the literary equivalent about real estate: Location, location,
location. What Pelevin has done, in a very far-seeing way, is to stake out
precisely the territory in which world literature is growing fastest. That
territory can be defined, usefully though roughly, as science fiction with
enough high-culture flourish to make it respectable reading for English
majors.
This territory is imagined by its English-language audience as stretching
from Pynchon to Philip K. Dick to Gibson. Its components are: "soft"
(non-science-oriented) science fiction; hardboiled noir detective prose;
animistic theology; computer imaging; and drugs. Lots of drugs. Pelevin has
certainly learned, somewhere or other, to mimic the sound that speed gave
the Beats, and his characters in Clay Machine-Gun use massive amounts of
cocaine, mushrooms, opiates and whatever else they can find. This is
typical, as is his association of drug use with the experience of an
immanent god--a feature of American science fiction, and particularly the SF
produced on the west coast of the US during the sixties and seventies. Dune,
of course, is the best-known example, with "the spice" constituting at once
a mystical revelation, a necessary part of civilized life, and a catalyst
for self-improvement via extended life and "expanded consciousness"--a
familiar program for anyone who went to an American high school.
The key to this emergent genre is that it is as indiscriminate and
all-engulfing as an amoeba. It continually agglomerates to itself any
culturally-exciting field. It is divided in many ways, but the most
important for Pelevin is the matter of prose style.
The best way to illustrate this is to ask the reader this question: Whom do
you prefer, Thomas Pynchon or Philip K. Dick? The answer determines a lot
about one's placement within this huge genre. Pynchon is very much a
"literary" writer, working very carefully over his writing at sentence
level, willing to let his plot sit still for a while as he improvises on a
theme. Dick is the opposite: the story and the dialogue alone interest him,
and he's willing to let the prose simply do the job. Sometimes, indeed, he
writes so roughly that the literary reader is offended. I remember loaning
Mark Ames a PKD book and having him bring it back the next day, shaking his
head and pointing to this sentence on page one of the novel: "'Hi!" she said
friendlily." It was that "friendlily" that Mark couldn't handle.
I side with PKD over Pynchon. In fact, I consider Dick to be the one genius,
the one absolute genius in US literature since 1945. I find Pynchon to be
kind of an Uncle Tom, as a representative of science fiction, making
pointless and protracted Faulknerian noises in his prose to suck up to a
New-Yorker-sensibility. This is in part why I don't much like Pelevin's
versions of science fiction. He does it Pynchon's way, with much less
narrative invention and much more prose stylin' than I would like.
http://www.exile.ru/books/review66.html
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Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 16:39:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: pynchonoid <pynchonoid at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: authors influenced by Pynchon
So the hallmarks of "Pynchon influence" seem to be:
- -deals with historical fact with a focus on 20th
century history (esp WWII) but within a fictional
context
- -deals with science and technology, and how they shape
culture
- -obviously learned, with references and allusions to a
vast spectrum of literature and other art works
- -encyclopedic
- -complex, cast of thousands, difficult to read
What else?
Thanks for digging up references to those novels.
- --- Ya Sam <takoitov at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Last month, Flemish author Paul Verhaeghen was
> awarded the 2005 F. Bordewijk
> Prize for fiction, a prestigious Dutch award that
> was won by fellow WWB
> blogger Arnon Grunberg last year.
>
> Verhaeghen won for OMEGA MINOR, a massive,
> all-encompassing epic about the
> consequences of World War II. ....
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Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 00:55:38 +0100
From: "David Gentle" <gentle_family at btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: A question for UK listers
> Am creating a character of sorts for, uh, sinister
> purposes, need some idea of what the interests of,
> say, a 50-year-old male business executive
> type--beefy, conservative, aggressive, not terribly
> cultured but perhaps aspiring to be so, perhaps
> not--might be. Music, movies, television, sports,
> clothes, cars, food, drink, smokes, books, even, if at
> all. Help! Thanks ...
Golf
Whiskey
Horse racing
You need to have a firm grasp of the class of the person in question.
Britain maybe relatively classless now (in that you can be working class and
yet still get a good education) but there's the subtle stain of class on
every decision we make.
So is he:
Working class.
Middle class
Upper class
Then you have to decide whether he is at the bottom or top of his class ie
upper, lower or middle. SO Lower upper class would be lower than middle
upper class but above upper middle class.
Ever seen that skit with Cleese as "upper class" and the 2 Ronnies as middle
and lower class? It really oughta be on youtube somewhere...
DG
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Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 17:00:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dave Monroe <monropolitan at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: pynchonesque church
There's some incidental conversation in Dutch on an
elevator into a salt mine, and that's it. Not even
(thankfully) incidnetl music. But, yeah, that clean,
industrial, brightly lit symmetry, like a Kubrick
film, or an Andreas Gursky photograph ...
http://www.moma.org/exhibitions/2001/gursky/
http://www.artnet.com/artist/7580/andreas-gursky.html
http://www.artcyclopedia.com/artists/gursky_andreas.html
http://www.mam.org/collections/photography_detail_gursky.htm
It's soemthing other than else. The industrialization
of a basic biological function. Punctuated by
occasional (and ironic) lunch breaks ...
- --- Daniel Julius <daniel.julius at gmail.com> wrote:
> Wow.
>
> The composition of these is incredible. My initial
> favorite is #8; look at that color and framing!
> I am still a helpless sucker for symmetry. It's my
> fatal flaw. I love the title, too. A user on IMDB
> said that there's no narration or dialogue, but is
> there a soundtrack at all? even a sparse one?
This reminds me, though ...
> On a similar thematic note, did you see that
> Richard Linklater is adapting _Fast Food Nation_?
> I read the book when it first came out, and I'm
> semi-interested in seeing it onscreen. I saw the
> trailer for it, and they quote from the text
> verbatim (eg "there's shit in the meat").
... Abe Vigoda's first line in Goodburger (1997):
"Can you get me to a hospital? I think I broke my
ass."
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0119215/quotes
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0119215/
I got to see Linklater do a Q & A session after
premiering Waking Life @ the Chicago Film Fest a few
years back. Sat across the aisle from Roger Ebert.
He can be hit (Dazed and Confused) and miss (how do
you make a LESS edgy Bad News Bears, esp. with Billy
Bob Thornton hot off of Bad Santa [which ends with
music used in BNB; a heartwarming Yuletide classic, by
the way--o, seriously ...]? Then there's School of
Rock [but do see Rock School, Zappa fans esp.], The
Newton Boys ...), but ... well, a character-based
narrative satire based on non-fiction social critique
...
> Thank you, though, Dave. I'm definitely gonna
> track this down when it comes to Chicago. It
> hasn't been released in America yet, right?
I saw it here (Milwaukee; you oughtta meet up with Tim
S. and me in Chicago sometime) last week ...
http://www.aux.uwm.edu/Union/events/theatre/calendar/Fall%2006/template_Fall06.htm#dailybread
... which USUALLY means, it's long since been south of
the Maier/Daley line, but ... well, the Reader hasn't
reviewed it yet, looks like w got it hot off the NY
Film Festival instead, with a US relesae date just in
time for, appropriately, Thanksgiving ...
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0765849/releaseinfo
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Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 17:01:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dave Monroe <monropolitan at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: pynchonesque church
Oops, but you DO hear animals, machinery, movement ...
- --- Daniel Julius <daniel.julius at gmail.com> wrote:
> A user on IMDB said that there's no narration or
dialogue, but is there a soundtrack at all? ...
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Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 21:05:35 -0400
From: Steven <mcquaryq at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Pynchonesque Rushdie
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Nicholson Baker's short book The Mezzanine has lots of quirky
footnotes and is pretty funny in the opinion of this reader. None of
his later works has grabbed me, though.
On Oct 15, 2006, at 9:58 AM, David Morris wrote:
> Well, I followed the advice to continue reading Infinite Jest for at
> least 200 pages
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Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 21:20:31 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
From: kelber at mindspring.com
Subject: Fw: Re: Pynchonesque Rushdie
Read his short story Subsoil. Will never look at potatoes the same way.
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>>Subject: Re: Pynchonesque Rushdie
>>
>> Nicholson Baker's short book The Mezzanine has lots of quirky
>>footnotes and is pretty funny in the opinion of this reader. None of
>>his later works has grabbed me, though.
>
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Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 20:31:36 -0500
From: "Daniel Julius" <daniel.julius at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: pynchonesque church
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Ha! Damn Maier/Daley line... The Reader's website was actually what I
first checked to see if ODBread was released here, but you just explained
why I couldn't find it there. And holy crow on the Gursky; truly, truly
fantastic stuff. I'd seen the supermarket photo before, but failed to note
the artist.
We have an enormous volume on Kubrick's work at the library where I work (I
wanna say published by Taschen; it's a limited edition run and each copy
comes with a piece of celluloid from one of his films[!]) with giant
full-color glossy photos of some of the most striking images from his
films. So if a hypothetical viewer had somehow failed to notice the beauty
in motion, it's conveniently captured on a bunch of pages for sustained
viewing pleasure. Oh, also, do you like Ligeti? I love those massive
drones.
I agree with you on the Link-ster's Hit or Miss-ness, but not on School of
Rock. I never use this word, but I thought it was charming! I have a
feeling one's opinion of it may hinge on one's opinion of Jack Black, so if
yer put off by his mugging, I understand the lack of enthusiasm. But I
thought he was perfect for the role, and also that the Zeppelin sing-along
in the van was just near perfection. So joyous. I avoided B New Bears like
the plague, though, so I can't comment on that.
I wanted to give you some links to some more architecture images, though,
too. I came across it tonight in a happy accident of P-listing and school
work, while reading fer a history class I'm in. It's a mosque in Dehli
called Purana Qila, which I guess translates to "Old Fort," and a prominent
art historian (J.C. Harle) says he'd place it on the same level as anything
by Brunelleschi: <http://www.pbase.com/croftcroyne/image/52527850>. And
then there's this five-storey little gem, too: <
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Sasaram.jpg>; unfortunately the Wiki
photo was the best I could find. Both of these were commissioned by the
same Afghan Sur ruler in the middle of the 16th cen. I thought you might
enjoy.
And be sure to notify me when yer in Chicago again. We'll paint the town
brown.
Oh shit, I almost forgot! I saw the new Scorcese movie this weekend, and
the Boston City Hall is featured prominently throughout! The concrete
courdoroy wales look great on film, too.
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<div>Ha! Damn Maier/Daley line... The Reader's website was actually what I first checked to see if ODBread was released here, but you just explained why I couldn't find it there. And holy crow on the Gursky; truly, truly fantastic stuff. I'd seen the supermarket photo before, but failed to note the artist.
</div>
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<div>We have an enormous volume on Kubrick's work at the library where I work (I wanna say published by Taschen; it's a limited edition run and each copy comes with a piece of celluloid from one of his films[!]) with giant full-color glossy photos of some of the most striking images from his films. So if a hypothetical viewer had somehow failed to notice the beauty in motion, it's conveniently captured on a bunch of pages for sustained viewing pleasure. Oh, also, do you like Ligeti? I love those massive drones.
</div>
<div> </div>
<div>I agree with you on the Link-ster's Hit or Miss-ness, but not on School of Rock. I never use this word, but I thought it was charming! I have a feeling one's opinion of it may hinge on one's opinion of Jack Black, so if yer put off by his mugging, I understand the lack of enthusiasm. But I thought he was perfect for the role, and also that the Zeppelin sing-along in the van was just near perfection. So joyous. I avoided B New Bears like the plague, though, so I can't comment on that.
</div>
<div> </div>
<div>I wanted to give you some links to some more architecture images, though, too. I came across it tonight in a happy accident of P-listing and school work, while reading fer a history class I'm in. It's a mosque in Dehli called Purana Qila, which I guess translates to "Old Fort," and a prominent art historian (
J.C. Harle) says he'd place it on the same level as anything by Brunelleschi: <<a href="http://www.pbase.com/croftcroyne/image/52527850">http://www.pbase.com/croftcroyne/image/52527850</a>>. And then there's this five-storey little gem, too: <
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Sasaram.jpg">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Sasaram.jpg</a>>; unfortunately the Wiki photo was the best I could find. Both of these were commissioned by the same Afghan Sur ruler in the middle of the 16th cen. I thought you might enjoy.
</div>
<div> </div>
<div>And be sure to notify me when yer in Chicago again. We'll paint the town brown.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Oh shit, I almost forgot! I saw the new Scorcese movie this weekend, and the Boston City Hall is featured prominently throughout! The concrete courdoroy wales look great on film, too.</div>
<div> </div>
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<div>Dan</div>
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Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 19:21:17 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Meury <dmeury at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: war & myth
I take Jim's point but then I never called the events such as those that occurred at Kent State a myth.
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Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 22:44:02 -0400
From: Steven <mcquaryq at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: What are you reading
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Then felt I like some watcher of the skies
When a new planet swims into his ken;
Or like that fat lout Cortez when with eagle eyes
He stared at the Pacific -- and all his men
Looked at each other with a wild surmise --
Silent, upon a peak in Darien.
On Oct 15, 2006, at 12:00 PM, Ya Sam wrote:
> So lucky are we when we come across good translations.
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Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 22:49:10 -0400
From: "Joe Allonby" <joeallonby at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: pynchonesque church
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On 10/15/06, Daniel Julius <daniel.julius at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Oh shit, I almost forgot! I saw the new Scorcese movie this weekend, and
> the Boston City Hall is featured prominently throughout! The concrete
> courdoroy wales look great on film, too.
>
> --
> Dan
>
One more time: it's called Govt Center.
At least that's what the T stop is labelled.
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<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 10/15/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">Daniel Julius</b> <<a href="mailto:daniel.julius at gmail.com">daniel.julius at gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div> </div>
<div>Oh shit, I almost forgot! I saw the new Scorcese movie
this weekend, and the Boston City Hall is featured prominently
throughout! The concrete courdoroy wales look great on film, too.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>--</div>
<div>Dan</div>
</blockquote></div><br>
One more time: it's called Govt Center.<br>
<br>
At least that's what the T stop is labelled.<br>
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Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 23:14:15 -0400
From: "Joe Allonby" <joeallonby at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: -pygous and pygo-
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Keeping the world safe for pygocracy.
On 10/14/06, Ya Sam <takoitov at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> I came across this funny sentence in Lempriere's Dictionary
>
> 'Hands are discreetly removed from bodices, temptingly steatopygous
> posterious are no longer being slapped, the sexes are parting like the Red
> Sea and fond farewells, blown kisses and entreaties to be true fill the
> melodramatic air like limp translations of a libretto by Calzabigi.' (p.
> 118)
>
> The strange word 'steatopygous' (which, as it turned out, means
> 'fat-arse')
> reminded me at once of Pynchon's famous callipygian ('those dusky
> Afro-Scandinavian buttocks.." etc.). Then I found this funny site.
>
> Just some pearls:
>
> "chromopygous - having painted buttocks
> triplopygous - having three buttocks
> nebulopygous - having vaguely defined buttocks
> megalomanipygous - having delusions of grand buttocks
> rhinopygous - having a nose between your buttocks
> oratopygous - speaking through one's buttocks "
>
> "pygocracy - government by buttocks
> pygography - the art of writing on buttocks
> pygecephalic - having a head shaped like buttocks
> pygophany - a manifestation of buttocks"
>
>
> http://www.coffeebeer.co.uk/doubleshot/labatelle_steatopygia.html
>
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Keeping the world safe for pygocracy.<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 10/14/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">Ya Sam</b> <<a href="mailto:takoitov at hotmail.com">takoitov at hotmail.com</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
I came across this funny sentence in Lempriere's Dictionary<br><br>'Hands are discreetly removed from bodices, temptingly steatopygous<br>posterious are no longer being slapped, the sexes are parting like the Red<br>Sea and fond farewells, blown kisses and entreaties to be true fill the
<br>melodramatic air like limp translations of a libretto by Calzabigi.' (p.<br>118)<br><br>The strange word 'steatopygous' (which, as it turned out, means 'fat-arse')<br>reminded me at once of Pynchon's famous callipygian ('those dusky
<br>Afro-Scandinavian buttocks.." etc.). Then I found this funny site.<br><br>Just some pearls:<br><br>"chromopygous - having painted buttocks<br>triplopygous - having three buttocks<br>nebulopygous - having vaguely defined buttocks
<br>megalomanipygous - having delusions of grand buttocks<br>rhinopygous - having a nose between your buttocks<br>oratopygous - speaking through one's buttocks "<br><br>"pygocracy - government by buttocks<br>pygography - the art of writing on buttocks
<br>pygecephalic - having a head shaped like buttocks<br>pygophany - a manifestation of buttocks"<br><br><br><a href="http://www.coffeebeer.co.uk/doubleshot/labatelle_steatopygia.html">http://www.coffeebeer.co.uk/doubleshot/labatelle_steatopygia.html
</a><br><br>_________________________________________________________________<br>Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE!<br><a href="http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/";>
http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/</a><br><br></blockquote></div><br>
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Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 20:50:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: pynchonoid <pynchonoid at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: -pygous and pygo-
If only, but we've got the asshole not the cheeks.
- --- Joe Allonby <joeallonby at gmail.com> wrote:
> Keeping the world safe for pygocracy.
>
> On 10/14/06, Ya Sam <takoitov at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I came across this funny sentence in Lempriere's
> Dictionary
> >
> > 'Hands are discreetly removed from bodices,
> temptingly steatopygous
> > posterious are no longer being slapped, the sexes
> are parting like the Red
> > Sea and fond farewells, blown kisses and
> entreaties to be true fill the
> > melodramatic air like limp translations of a
> libretto by Calzabigi.' (p.
> > 118)
> >
> > The strange word 'steatopygous' (which, as it
> turned out, means
> > 'fat-arse')
> > reminded me at once of Pynchon's famous
> callipygian ('those dusky
> > Afro-Scandinavian buttocks.." etc.). Then I found
> this funny site.
> >
> > Just some pearls:
> >
> > "chromopygous - having painted buttocks
> > triplopygous - having three buttocks
> > nebulopygous - having vaguely defined buttocks
> > megalomanipygous - having delusions of grand
> buttocks
> > rhinopygous - having a nose between your buttocks
> > oratopygous - speaking through one's buttocks "
> >
> > "pygocracy - government by buttocks
> > pygography - the art of writing on buttocks
> > pygecephalic - having a head shaped like buttocks
> > pygophany - a manifestation of buttocks"
> >
> >
> >
>
http://www.coffeebeer.co.uk/doubleshot/labatelle_steatopygia.html
> >
> >
>
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Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 06:52:36 +0100
From: "Paul Nightingale" <isread at btopenworld.com>
Subject: Re: A question for UK listers
I think I would have to (partially) disagree with David: when compared to
the days of the Cleese et al sketch, Britain is not now "relatively
classless", although the myths of meritocracy and openness are certainly
more powerful. The gap between rich and poor is greater now, for example.
Access to further and higher education is, in theory, a reality now: witness
the routine (and certainly tedious) attacks on 'dumbing down' in the
conservative press. However, for the most part the increased participation
comes from the same social groups as heretofore.
The 50-something executive might have come through private education, in
which case he might ("beefy"?) have a thing about rugby union (as opposed to
rugby league). On the other hand it's possible he has little in the way of
formal education. If working-class, his credentials are confirmed by his
support for a football (aka "soccer") team: his hometown team, to emphasise
that he hasn't forgotten his roots. Whatever his background he might well
boast he never finished a book at school, and hasn't started one since. And
he might affect an ersatz working-class accent. He has likely sent his own
children to a private school, although it might be a pretty downmarket
establishment. These are important class signifiers.
A working-class executive: the character (caricature?) played by Michael
Gambon in Peter Greenaway's The Cook ... (1988/89?) is an interesting
example of the yob-made-good, an updated (transformed, brutalised,
Thatcherite) version of the aspirant working-class chancer in 1950s' novels
by John Braine.
The Times and the Telegraph will get you inside the heads of contemporary
captains of industry. Certainly, The Sunday Times book/culture sections are
designed for people who want to know which names to drop at dinner parties.
Not terribly interested, they might well mix with people who have read a
book: Sebastian Faulks is popular.
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Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 01:39:01 -0500
From: "Daniel Julius" <daniel.julius at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: pynchonesque church
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>From Wikipeed: "City Hall is located in Government
Center<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_Center%2C_Boston%2C_Massachusetts>in
downtown Boston." Is it possible that the plaza/space is called Gov't
Center, and the building is called Boston City Hall? The T stop designating
a place, not a building?
OR HAVE THOSE FUCKERS AT WIKIPEDIA FUCKED UP ANOTHER ARTICLE?!?!?!?! Are we
allowed to say "fuckers" on this list?
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<div>From Wikipeed: "City Hall is located in <a title="Government Center, Boston, Massachusetts" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_Center%2C_Boston%2C_Massachusetts"; target="_blank">
Government Center</a> in downtown Boston." Is it possible that the plaza/space is called Gov't Center, and the building is called Boston City Hall? The T stop designating a place, not a building?</div>
<div> </div>
<div>OR HAVE THOSE FUCKERS AT WIKIPEDIA FUCKED UP ANOTHER ARTICLE?!?!?!?! Are we allowed to say "fuckers" on this list?</div>
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