Consciousness=Doubling?

[Joseph T]

On Apr 5, 2007, at 12:46 PM, Joseph T wrote:

> Monte said"Convinced that the laws of physics shouldn't be  
> different simply because of your state of motion, E. considered  
> that an intolerable loose end -- and kept pulling on it until the  
> whole edifice of "independent" space and time unraveled."
> So I assume that is why he speaks of a space time continum. I s  
> this concept given a equation or is it a kind of  unquantifiable  
> conceptual framework? I guess I should do some reading.

> I like the seeming inseparability of consciousness from these other  
> problems. I was going to talk about that last post but I was  
> already wearing my wee head out. So are Galileo's ideas still  
> important, only with different phenomena?I have a hard time   
> understanding how sound, for example, would be secondary to mass.  
> Is light secondary? Because light  measures mass in Einstein.And  
> sound is just the ears measure of vibration.
>
> Any way, moving from this  back to Pynchon: IS  CONSCIOUSNESS   
> ITSELF THE DOUBLING PYNCHON IS ON ABOUT IN ATD?

> OR IS IT POSSIBLE THAT HE"S REALLY SUGGESTING THAT OUR RATIONAL AND  
> SENSORY CONSCIOUSNESS IS JUST A LESS THAN FULL SPECTRUM, BENT 90  
> DEGREE REFLECTION OF  THE INHERENT MULTIDIMENSIONAL CONSCIOUSNESS  
> OF THE UNIVERSE?
>
>
> On Apr 5, 2007, at 9:09 AM, Monte Davis wrote:
>
>> John BAILEY wrote:
>>> I was about the write the same thing! Time is change, right? Any  
>>> place where there was no change at all, even in a body, would be  
>>> outside of time.
>>>
>>> I tend to think of this less in a physics-y way (since I'm not  
>>> much chop with the science stuff) and more from a social/ 
>>> historical stance - how time was "invented" by humans in order to  
>>> make sense of change...
>> That last may (MAY) be a distinction without a difference. Galileo  
>> was big on distinguishing primary qualities (mass, position,  
>> motion, extension/boundedness) from secondary qualities (color,  
>> odor, sound). In his scheme, the former have their consequences no  
>> matter what; the latter require a sensing, sentient organism to  
>> register them. They could in principle be reduced to epiphenomena  
>> of primary qualities, and since G's time have been so reduced:  
>> color is wavelengths of light, odor is diffusing molecules and  
>> their chemistry in your nose, sound is compressed and rarefied air.
>>
>> http://www.vernonpratt.com/211/galileoonsecondaryqualities.htm
>>
>> So... is time primary, as science assumed for a long time? or  
>> secondary, in some way we have yet to suss out? I'm not saying it  
>> "doesn't exist" without consciousness, but wondering if at least  
>> some of what seem to be its attributes -- e.g. extension,  
>> continuity, one-wayness -- may be [something else, yet to be  
>> determined]  filtered through consciousness.
>

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