ATDDTA (3): Control issues, Chums, They

[Joseph T]

On Feb 17, 2007, at 7:25 PM, Joseph T wrote:

> Sorry if I misinterpreted the direction or implications of your  
> comments .  So I guess my argument will have to function as an  
> argument against  an idea that was not fronted. But just in case  
> someone wanted to make that argument, they have my apparently  
> presumptive but  passionate riposte to deal with.
>
> I still don't know if I agree with you about WW1 though. It seems  
> far more apocalyptic from a European point of view, since they were  
> the ones now subject to their scientific advancements in warfare;   
> but really it is just colonial wars turned inward, obedience to god  
> and country  transformed into mass suicide. The world since is only  
> hell if one refuses to leave the paradigm that enabled it behind.


> On Feb 17, 2007, at 6:40 PM, Tore Rye Andersen wrote:
>
>> From: Joseph T:
>>
>>> For several reasons I find myself in serious disagreement , as I  
>>> did  the first time around with the argument that VL was written  
>>> as  primarily a crtique of the failures of the  left  of the  
>>> period it  covers though it functions that way very effectively.
>>
>> It seems to me that you are "in serious disagreement" with an  
>> argument which hasn't been advanced, at least in this thread. No  
>> one said that "VL was written as primarily a critique of the  
>> failures of the  left  of the period it covers." If VL is  
>> "primarily" about anything, it is probably about the persistent  
>> betrayal of the original American Promise; it is about the soiling  
>> of that "fresh, green breast of the new world" the Dutch sailors  
>> see towards the end of The Great Gatsby, and it tries to answer  
>> that question from the end of Lot 49: "how had it ever happened  
>> here, with the chances once so good for diversity?" (and in M&D,  
>> Pynchon will elaborate this answer). The answer is a complex one,  
>> of course, and the greed of characters like Scarsdale Vibe is an  
>> important part of it. .....
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