A digression

[Joe Allonby]

"In a little hilltop village,
They gambled for my clothes,"

Just throwing the people reading Christianity into this novel a bone in a
connection with Dylan.

I did a job for Christopher Lydon the other day so I'm into "connections".
He hasn't read AtD yet, but it's on his list and claims that one of the
Therouxs is writing and in depth review.


On 1/4/07, John Carvill <JCarvill at algsoftware.com> wrote:
>
> Oh Yeah, I was aware Bob may well have, ahem, pinched the phrase 'toil
> and blood', probably from Shelly. And of course Pynchon may have been
> influenced by one of the various alternative sources, including a
> Winston Churchill speech:
>
>
> "The phrase 'toil and blood' may be a tip of the hat to Bob Dylan (the
> same words occur in 'Shelter From the Storm'), or it may simply be a
> reference to Winston Churchill's famous WW II speech."
>
> http://www.mindspring.com/~shadow88/chapter6.htm
>
>
> But others have noted this possible Dylan refernce, as I did when I
> first read Vineland, having heard the song hundreds of times. I also
> think the contexts in which the phrase is used are quite close, Dylan's
> 'other lifetime' of toil and blood, and Pynchon's 'world of toil and
> blood'.
>
> See also the following google groups post, a little fanciful in its
> attempt to claim Vineland as a novelisation of Dylan's 'Blood on the
> Tracks' album, but interesting nonetheless:
>
> http://groups.google.co.uk/group/rec.music.dylan/browse_frm/thread/58e24
> cbd52b1f07f/da73f5a67bdbf8bb?tvc=1&q=dylanl=en#da73f5a67bdbf8bb
>
> Cheers
> JC
>
>
>
> <<
> From John Adams' letter to his wife on the eve of American Indepence in
> 1776:
>
> You will think me transported with enthusiasm but I am not. I am well
> aware of the toil and blood and treasure, that it will cost us to
> maintain this Declaration, and support and defend these states. . . . I
> can see that the end is more than worth all the means. And that
> posterity will triumph in that day's transaction . . .
>
> From "Hail, Columbia" (the first American national anthem, music
> composed in 1789, lyrics added in 1798):
>
> Immortal patriots, rise once more,
> Defend your rights, defend your shore!
> Let no rude foe, with impious hand,
> Let no rude foe, with impious hand,
> Invade the shrine where sacred lies
> Of toil and blood, the well-earned prize, While off'ring peace, sincere
> and just, In Heaven's we place a manly trust, That truth and justice
> will prevail, And every scheme of bondage fail.
>
> From "The Mask of Anarchy" by Percy Bysshe Shelley (1819):
>
> What if English toil and blood
> Was poured forth, even as a flood?
> It availed, Oh, Liberty,
> To dim, but not extinguish thee.
> >>
>
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