Monk's motto or: Is Against the Day in favour of the Night?

[Paul Mackin]

On Jul 29, 2007, at 4:27 PM, Daniel Harper wrote:

> As is well-known. But since P's work (especially ATD) is primarily  
> metafiction, it makes sense to compare it not to what _actually_  
> went on but instead what we _tell ourselves_ went on. And to other  
> fiction set in the time period, or dealing with similar characters.


OK, what you're saying, Daniel, is that, if you want to know what  
actually happened back, don't read Pynchon.

:-)


>
> On 7/29/07, kelber at mindspring.com <kelber at mindspring.com> wrote:
> The Sexual Revolution of the 1960s represented a change in people's  
> openness about sexuality more than a change in the sexual practices  
> that went on behind closed doors.
>
> A well-known example:
>
> http://www.my-secret-life.com/
>
> Laura
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Daniel Harper < daniel.e.harper at gmail.com>
> >Sent: Jul 29, 2007 2:41 PM
> >To: pynchon-l at waste.org
> >Subject: Re: Monk's motto or: Is Against the Day in favour of the  
> Night?
> >
> >Well, yeah. I think part of the anachronism of the books (well,  
> ATD anyway)
> >is that so few of the characters behave as if they were "real"
> >late-nineteenth or early-twentieth century people. The sexual  
> content of the
> >books grounds the characters in the "present", thus connecting  
> them ever
> >closer to "our" present.
> >
> >I think this is a feature, not a bug.
> >
> >On 7/29/07, Paul Mackin < paul.mackin at verizon.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jul 28, 2007, at 11:39 AM, Daniel Harper wrote:
> >>
> >> > ATD and GR are clearly the most sexualized of P's works, with GR
> >> > being far and away the dirtiest. There's a lot going on there,  
> not
> >> > sure that the "socialist ideal" is really the best way of
> >> > describing it. I think a more useful way to think of it is as
> >> > simply the stated goal and end point of the Sexual Revolution
> >>
> >>
> >> and back then the revolution had not not yet even begun
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >--
> >...the insanely, endlessly diddling play of a chemist whose  
> molecules are
> >words...
> >--Daniel Harper
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> ...the insanely, endlessly diddling play of a chemist whose  
> molecules are words...
> --Daniel Harper

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