AtDTDA: 19 The two-Stupendica Problem, pt. 2 [521/522]
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robinlandseadel at comcast.net
Tue Oct 2 06:20:20 CDT 2007
As the Bible is not one of my areas of expertise, I hope others chime in here.
But the "Two-Stupendica Problem" does remind me of the Two Source
Hypothesis for the bible's new testament:
The 2SH derives its name from its postulation of two main
sources for the synoptic gospels: a narrative source for the
triple tradition and a sayings source for the double tradition.
The triple tradition comprises the subject matter jointly related
by Matthew, Mark, and Luke. Generally, the triple tradition is
characterized by substantial agreements in arrangement and
wording among all three gospels with frequent agreements
between Mark and Matthew against Luke and between Mark
and Luke against Matthew, but a near absence of agreements
of Matthew and Luke against Mark. The double tradition
consists of the material that Matthew and Luke share outside
of Mark and exhibits some of the most striking verbatim
agreements in some passages and quite divergent versions in
other passages.
While there are many variations of the 2SH, the most commonly
accepted form of the theory adopts the following propositions:
The priority of Mark: The narrative source of the 2SH is Mark
1:1-16:8, which both Matthew and Luke used. Thus, Matthew
and Luke are each directly related to Mark in the triple tradition
and only indirected connected to each other in triple tradition
via Mark. Variations of this prong include the supposition of an
early form of Mark called Uk-Markus, or a revised form of Mark
called deutero-Mark, or both, but these possibilities are only
supported by a handful of active scholars.
The existence of Q: The 2SH's sayings source is a discrete
document that Matthew and Luke independently used. This
document is called Q, from the German word for "source,"
Quelle. Matthew and Luke are thus indirectly related to each
other in the double tradition. Differences of opinion about the
nature of Q are more common for this prong of the 2SH. While
most scholars see Q as a document, some view Q as a collection
of oral and written sources employed Matthew and Luke.
http://www.mindspring.com/~scarlson/synopt/2sh/index.htm
It looks like Jonah's got two books in the bible and that G-d speaks to
Jonah twice, which I guess is one more than you usually get:
In the Old Testament of the Bible, Jonah is mentioned twice,
first in 2 Kings 14:25 (as a prophet in the time of King
Jeroboam II) and later in the Book of Jonah.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonah
Reason for flight
Jonah was induced to flee because, after having won his
reputation as a true prophet ("one whose words always
came true") by the fulfilment of his prediction in the days
of Jeroboam II. (II Kings xiv.), he had come to be
distrusted and to be called a false prophet, the reason
being that when sent to Jerusalem to foretell its doom
its inhabitants repented and the disaster did not come.[8]
Knowing that the Ninevites also were on the point of
repenting (?erobe teshubah), he anticipated that among
them, too, he would earn the reputation of being a false
God, or His Shekinah, could not be found (Pir?e R. El. x.;
but comp. Ibn Ezra's commentary).[9]
The phrase in Jonah iii. 1, "and the word of God came
unto Jonah the second time," is interpreted by Rabbi
Akiba, however, to imply that God spoke only twice to
him; therefore the "word of God" to him in II Kings xiv.
25 has no reference to a prophecy which Jonah
delivered in the days of Jeroboam II., but must be taken
in the sense that as at Nineveh Jonah's words changed
evil to good, so under Jeroboam, Israel experienced a
change of fortune (Yeb. 98a).[10]
When Jonah went to Joppa he found no ship, for the
vessel on which he had intended taking passage had
sailed two days before; but God caused a contrary
wind to arise and the ship was driven back to port
(Zohar, ?ayye Sarah).[11] At this Jonah rejoiced,
regarding it as indicating that his plan would succeed,
and in his joy he paid his passage-money in advance,
contrary to the usual custom, which did not require its
payment until the conclusion of the voyage.[12] According
to some he even paid the full value of the ship, amounting
to 4,000 gold denarii (Yalk., l.c.; Ned. 38a).[13] But all this
happened to teach him the fallacy of his conclusion that
God could be evaded (Yalk., l.c.; and Rashi, ad loc.), for
the contrary wind affected his ship only; all others on the
sea at that time proceeded uninterruptedly on their courses.[14]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonah_in_Rabbinic_Literature
But, hey, ya wanna chime in, feel free.
For me, the notion of the Straits of Gibraltar acting as some metaphysical
duplicating lens echos with the scene of the entity that is brought
to the great city earlier on [149/155]. There is a sense that some power
dwelling in the earth, some as yet unnamed deity deploys its magic,
refracting one ship into two. And yet, and at the same time, these beliefs
of Jonah and the whale and G-d, they simply pass by the latent power of
what those Gnaoua musicians were invoking there, out in the streets.
There are many, seemingly non-compatible religious systems in Against
the Day.
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