TRP and Godzilla, misc.

[Mark Kohut]

Mark Kohut <markekohut at yahoo.com> wrote:    Page, 
   
  Yes!...I think there is a hell of a lot to The Tractatus as Zen.....and I'm willing to argue
  that TRP got "pointing' at what cannot be said as a major metaphor for his way of being elusive....
  One can see major books as structured around "what can only be pointed at", yes? I believe Monte D. has argued this strongly from a different direction, yo Monte?
  He, we, can't really talk about those black horse and riders can we?....they ride thru and we can only point...............
  or Look---there's Shambala uncovered!
   
  mark

page at quesnelbc.com wrote:
  Mark,

"What we cannot speak about we must pass over in silence." The Tractatus
as Zen. Hardly an original thought, but it may be responsive. Yes? Shinto?
Not so much, methinks. As we have 'discussed,' the Wittgenstein of the
Tractatus would have called the beliefs you mention something akin to
labelless: nonsense. And we know OBA read Witt. I am trying to replace
Heidegger with the more palatable LW. LW would not have had the beliefs
you speak of (at least I don't think so), but as you put it "one layer of
his [TRP's] vision." OBA took one thing from LW, and something from
somewhere else (many where elses) that 'contradicts' the LW. We know he
has the tools and the capacious mind to do it. And make it hum.

I hope Pandemonium of the Sun wasn't a working title for MD, nor for AtD.
I hope it is a long novel we will be able to enjoy in the future. The
fifth of the four novels he told his agent he was writing together.

Page

> Page,
>
> Take away Heidegger from this ob of mine--which I WANT to do not least
> to remove any necessary implication that TRP got the notion from that
> guy----- and might one get a relative of Shintoism or Zen
> Buddhism?..............................................................
>
> Or a labelless belief in a kind of animism, spirits in stone, sun
> goddess, etc.....
> as one layer of his vision, not all of it?
> (From that John Laroqutte Show in the 90s whereon Pynchon supposedly
> communcated about his work in progress called "Pandemonium of the
> Sun"........[could NOT HAVE been
> Mason & Dixon, I don't think, do you?]
>
> mark
>
> page at quesnelbc.com wrote:
> As Mark wrote, Welcome. I am an irregular poster here--do much better
> sitting back and siphoning knowledge from others.
>
> A tangential idea to the "japan issue," if I may put it so: what does
> anyone think TRP might make of Shintoism? We know of his interest in the
> East, but I have seen nothing that looks Shinto.
>
>
>> Welcome!
>>
>> You have a long sweet ride ahead, if you can and have time.
>>
>> I would suggest that, for whatever reasons, he did not feel the Japan of
>> his time---more West
>> than not?---was relevant to his writing concerns---or his pilgrimage,
>> whatever it has been (and still is).
>>
>> I would respectfully say that Mr. Pynchon has gotten deep into many
>> Eastern ideas, attitudes and "truths" in AtD and elsewhere but we are
>> all working out our thoughts about that and, for sure, he embodies
>> whatever "ideas' he has in creative ways in his fiction...
>>
>> As one of our posters, at least, has written: the books are fiction not
>> political theeory nor religious tracts.....so, 'ideas' come obliquely,
>> in scenes, images and repeated tropes....
>>
>> Please stay aboard and contribute and ask.......
>>
>> MK
>>
>> Ian Livingston wrote:
>> Could this have to do with his rejection of the East in V.? He
>> is decidedly western in his perspective and in his mysticism.
>> The references in AdT to Tibetan translators and translations
>> seem imply the unlikelihood of successful efforts in the field.
>> Might this indicate a general rejection of Eastern thought? I'm
>> new here, help me out.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Mark Kohut
>> To: pynchon -l
>
>> Sent: Saturday, April 5, 2008 9:45:52 AM
>> Subject: TRP and Godzilla, misc.
>>
>> I read online [in a paper] some [English] words from TRPs japanese
>> translators, who say
>> that in correspondence with his agent (and wife, we know), they learned
>> (by asking) that
>> one country TRP has never visited is Japan.
>>
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