TRP and Godzilla, misc.

Sun Apr 6 04:52:20 CDT 2008

Not only did Heidegger have students from the East (especially Japan and India) since the 1920s,
his thinking, which someone once called 'Swabian Daoism', is substancially related to Eastern thought.

For starters: http://www.webcom.com/~paf/hlinks/hasia.html

Kai 

PS: In their 'negative metaphysics' (the early) Wittgenstein, Heidegger and Adorno meet. Cf.
"das Mystische" (L.W) --- "das Seyn" (M.H) --- "das Nichtidentische" (T.W.A).> Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 18:42:46 -0700> Subject: Re: TRP and Godzilla, misc.> From: page at quesnelbc.com> To: markekohut at yahoo.com> CC: page at quesnelbc.com; igrlivingston at yahoo.ca; pynchon-l at waste.org> > Mark,> > "What we cannot speak about we must pass over in silence." The Tractatus> as Zen. Hardly an original thought, but it may be responsive. Yes? Shinto?> Not so much, methinks. As we have 'discussed,' the Wittgenstein of the> Tractatus would have called the beliefs you mention something akin to> labelless: nonsense. And we know OBA read Witt. I am trying to replace> Heidegger with the more palatable LW. LW would not have had the beliefs> you speak of (at least I don't think so), but as you put it "one layer of> his [TRP's] vision." OBA took one thing from LW, and something from> somewhere else (many where elses) that 'contradicts' the LW. We know he> has the tools and the capacious mind to do it. And make it hum.> > I hope Pandemonium of the Sun wasn't a working title for MD, nor for AtD.> I hope it is a long novel we will be able to enjoy in the future. The> fifth of the four novels he told his agent he was writing together.> > Page> > > Page,> >> > Take away Heidegger from this ob of mine--which I WANT to do not least> > to remove any necessary implication that TRP got the notion from that> > guy----- and might one get a relative of Shintoism or Zen> > Buddhism?..............................................................> >> > Or a labelless belief in a kind of animism, spirits in stone, sun> > goddess, etc.....> > as one layer of his vision, not all of it?> > (From that John Laroqutte Show in the 90s whereon Pynchon supposedly> > communcated about his work in progress called "Pandemonium of the> > Sun"........[could NOT HAVE been> > Mason & Dixon, I don't think, do you?]> >> > mark> >> > page at quesnelbc.com wrote:> > As Mark wrote, Welcome. I am an irregular poster here--do much better> > sitting back and siphoning knowledge from others.> >> > A tangential idea to the "japan issue," if I may put it so: what does> > anyone think TRP might make of Shintoism? We know of his interest in the> > East, but I have seen nothing that looks Shinto.> >> >> >> Welcome!> >>> >> You have a long sweet ride ahead, if you can and have time.> >>> >> I would suggest that, for whatever reasons, he did not feel the Japan of> >> his time---more West> >> than not?---was relevant to his writing concerns---or his pilgrimage,> >> whatever it has been (and still is).> >>> >> I would respectfully say that Mr. Pynchon has gotten deep into many> >> Eastern ideas, attitudes and "truths" in AtD and elsewhere but we are> >> all working out our thoughts about that and, for sure, he embodies> >> whatever "ideas' he has in creative ways in his fiction...> >>> >> As one of our posters, at least, has written: the books are fiction not> >> political theeory nor religious tracts.....so, 'ideas' come obliquely,> >> in scenes, images and repeated tropes....> >>> >> Please stay aboard and contribute and ask.......> >>> >> MK> >>> >> Ian Livingston wrote:> >> Could this have to do with his rejection of the East in V.? He> >> is decidedly western in his perspective and in his mysticism.> >> The references in AdT to Tibetan translators and translations> >> seem imply the unlikelihood of successful efforts in the field.> >> Might this indicate a general rejection of Eastern thought? I'm> >> new here, help me out.> >>> >> ----- Original Message ----> >> From: Mark Kohut> >> To: pynchon -l> >> >> Sent: Saturday, April 5, 2008 9:45:52 AM> >> Subject: TRP and Godzilla, misc.> >>> >> I read online [in a paper] some [English] words from TRPs japanese> >> translators, who say> >> that in correspondence with his agent (and wife, we know), they learned> >> (by asking) that> >> one country TRP has never visited is Japan.> >>> >>> >> ---------------------------------> >> You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster> >> Total Access, No Cost.> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> ---------------------------------> >> Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to> >> Yahoo! Answers.> >>> >>> >> ---------------------------------> >> You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster> >> Total Access, No Cost.> >> >> >> >> > ---------------------------------> > You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster> > Total Access, No Cost.> 
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