Fwd: AtD, 839...(St.) Cyprian, Bodhisattva

Mark Kohut markekohut at yahoo.com
Fri Apr 11 20:51:03 CDT 2008


Ian,
   
  Speaking of the void......................
   
  I recently read this from a guy named Thomas Moore on Pynchon thru Gravity's Rainbow:;
   
  "Pynchon seems to share Jung's shy faith in the possibility of an ultimate One such that if you blink at the void, the void can become"...........
   
   
   
  Cyprian: inexact Bodhisattva, saint ala John of The Cross, like Dostoevsky's Idiot or Alyosha
  in Brothers K........a holy fool.................He does seem to be Pynchon's attempt at creating/understanding/limning a person who becomes a good human being, yes?
   
  Mark

Ian Livingston <igrlivingston at yahoo.ca> wrote:
          For a more complete idea of the bodhisattva vow, check out www.buddhanet.net and look up Avalokitesvara, Ksitigharba, Earth Store Buddha.  All are the same figure with differing attributes.  The idea is that the bodhisattva reaches enlightenment, but out of compassion chooses, instead of entering Nirvana, to return to help alleviate the suffering of those beings caught in samsara.  He vows to return until all sentient beings are liberated from samsara.  What that means superficially is forever, right? because there is no end to samsara.  If samsara were to end there could not logically be any sunyata, there would be nothing.  Only void and that is one of the nihilistic traps westerners fall into, that sunyata is emptiness, as it is commonly translated, or void.  It is not that.  One might vaguely think of it as the dimension in which samsara (the dimension of all things) arises.  It is the absence of inherent characteristics, the ineluctable nature of perpetual
 flux.  

The element of desire is something else, I think.  Desire is the motivating factor that inspires the individual to achieve the enlightenment necessary to become the bodhisattva and wish to return forever in service to sentient beings struggling to achieve enlightenment.  Even the bodhisattva, then, is not without desire.  The main factor of difference in the path to enlightenment is the transcendence beyond attachment to desires.  That may be what our brave author has in mind, but I'm not so sure.  

It might be more appropriate to go looking in St John of the Cross.  This sounds more like the Dark Night of the Soul than like any Buddhist philosophy.  The two are akin in that both refer to transrational states, and might even have Pavlovian correlates, but they are markedly different in their landscapes.  I also think the Dark Night dovetails more neatly with Jungian psychology, which figures broadly in Our Boy's work.  I am looking, too, at elements of the Shadow, both bright and dark aspects, in the characters.  Think here of those things others see in the character that the character himself cannot detect except by tracking symptomologies.  

For more on St. John go to the Catholic Encyclopedia.  Sorry I'm not more tech-savvy to send you all the links, but this way you get the pleasure of the research, right?

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  839 "No question of desire....he had not even been imagining desire, its arousal, its fulfillment, any occasion for it": Wikipedia on Bodhisattva: "According to one sutra, the Buddha, after his supreme enlightenment, was reluctant to teach others because he thought mankind had too much dust in the eyes and were too obsessed with desires, and did not consider abandoning desires"....
   
  Cyprian becomes care-givingly maternal, a compassionate boddhisattva-like role: again Wikipedia on Bodhisattva: "Tibetan doctrine (like Theravada, for different reasons) recognizes only the first of these, holding that Buddhas remain in the world for ever, in some sense, able to help others, so there is no point in delay. East Asian doctrinal traditions tend to emphasize the second and/or third, the idea of deliberately refraining from becoming a Buddha, perhaps for ever."
   
  Misc. (trivia) St. Cyprian's was the prep school Orwell went to.

  
  
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