aw. RE: aw. RE: I don't care which

[Robin Landseadel]

On Jun 23, 2003 Otto wrote:

           It's a much more mild & friendly criticism than you're trying
           to make of it, Rob. The real criticism (the other part of VL)
           is his anti-fascism, his anti-capitalism, anti-Puritanism,
           his criticism of structures that even could turn the USA
           into a proto-fascist state (which America was in the late
           sixties, early seventies).

And, of course, the nearly previous administration. Considering the
shift in communication from 1984 to 2001---9/11 was the trigger for
Amerikkka's real "1984"---it seems like re-treading Vineland is
particularly apropos.

           In the end the hippies were just humans, like everyone
           else bound to error and failure. It's just an ideology but
           what makes "socialism" more sympathetic than every
           other ideology is that it has a generally positive view of
           humans, contrary to capitalism that sees humans only
           as part of the production line & as consumers and
           fascism that sees humans as generally bad & egoistic
           who must be terrorised to serve the state.

           Which is why I like Orwell's "Left of the Left"- notion.

           Love & Peace

           Otto

On Dec 2, 2008, at 8:01 AM, Otto wrote:

Yes, it can...for example the "Children of the revolution?"-thread:

http://waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l&month=0306&sort=thread
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