One last time (and then I give up....)
Tim Ware
tim at hyperarts.com
Tue Dec 9 15:13:10 CST 2008
I just checked my Yahoo mail to verify what Mark says. The text "plain
text" in blue next to the subject is, as Mark found out, a link to
change the message to plain text (at least that's what I *think* Mark
figured out). If you just mouse over that text it pops a "tooltip"
that says "switch message to plain text".... so that's how it's done
in Yahoo mail. Thanks to Mark for the sleuthing & problem solving.
Tim
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Tim Ware .. HyperArts .. 201 4th Street, Ste 404 .. Oakland CA 94607
t: (510) 339-6084 .. f: (510) 339-6086 .. e: tim at hyperarts.com
http://www.hyperarts.com
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On Dec 9, 2008, at 12:59 PM, Mark Kohut wrote:
> Checking my settings after your emails---which I had thought were
> correct for all of the reasons wanted---
> ----the phrase Rich Text in blue appears to the right of my Yahoo
> email subject line.
>
> Since I wanted PLAIN TEXT, I changed it. I quickly learned--from
> Robin--that I had changed my correct
> setting to the wrong setting. I resent the post correctly within
> minutes, and I'm sure it has been seen by all
> who are interested. It had the same title.
>
> I learned that the phrase in blue next to the subject line in Yahoo
> email is what one would click on to CHANGE
> to the other formatting.
>
> One might adapt a saying: the phrase is NOT the reality but a link
> to another reality.
>
> Sorry for all confusion to all.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Tim Ware <tim at hyperarts.com>
> To: pynchon-l at waste.org
> Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2008 3:18:04 PM
> Subject: One last time (and then I give up....)
>
> Hey folks,
>
> I definitely don't want to be the list-mom here, and perhaps the
> preponderance of cruft (junk formatting code) on this list doesn't
> bother anyone else, but today's post had this lovely bit which I
> found totally unreadable, and I'm sure Mark has something to say here.
>
> Remember, this isn't about all of us not having email programs that
> can handle HTML email; it's because waste.org processes users' posts
> and all the formatting code in them is displayed as code.
>
> The following is Mark Kohut's email. Another from John Bailey was
> also junk-laden. I have to say I almost split a gut laughing when I
> saw this one:
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:32:36 -0800 (PST)
> From: Mark Kohut <markekohut at yahoo.com>
> Subject: that 'creeping fig' again and what Vineland has come to.
>
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> Ficus pumila =A1Sonny=A2=0Acreeping fig=0ACreeping fig is an
> evergreen vine=
> which attaches itself securely to wood or metal masonry, making a
> delicate=
> tracery of small heart shaped leaves. This cultivar offers creamy
> white ma=
> rgins on the deep green foliage. In time the stems can cover a lot
> of terri=
> tory. Cut it to the ground occasionally to keep in bounds. Can grow
> in sun =
> or shade, but prefers cooler environments with regular
> water.=0A___________=
> ____________________________________________=0AIn Pynchon's poetic
> symbolog=
> y, plants, like trees, like wind and much else that is 'natural', is
> a posi=
> tive association. =0A=A0=0AThe Vineland the Vikings=A0found in
> northern Nor=
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> negati=
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> the small heart-shaped leaves"--reminds me of the "Wand'ring Heart"
> wood gr=
> ain in the card table early in "Mason & Dixon"---cannot grow figs,
> only whi=
> te margins and sometimes a small flower. =0A=A0=0AAnd there is
> Heartsease i=
> n Against the Day.=0A=A0=0A(As mentioned, 'creeping fig' is not
> 'invasive' =
> unless, like=0AZoyd, the Dude, one neglects it.)=0A=A0=0AZoyd
> neglects much=
> . He is entropic, so to speak metaphorically. =0A=A0=0A(He wakes
> from a dre=
> am before any=A0"communication"--=A0and, either=0Ahe, or the TV
> studios, mi=
> scommunicate concerning his appearance. I'd bet on him.)
> =0A=A0=0ACommunica=
> tion not happening----deep TRP theme, of course.=0A=A0=0AA massive
> falling-=
> off. Degradation: One of Henry Adams' lesser-known works is The
> Degradation=
> of the Democratic Ideal. Could=0Areally apply to Vineland, no, as we
> are a=
> ll going to=A0encounter again?=0A_________________=0A=A0=0AThe
> dystopian sa=
> tire is fiercely, albeit comically,=A0(=A0almost) =A0total, I
> suggest. (By =
> 'fierce' here I mean intense/pervasive, even when quietly
> so.)=0A=A0=0ATree=
> s-- as per the hardcover cover. Now yuppified Logjam Bars.
> =0A=A0=0AThe 'fo=
> od'. More degradation.=0AZoyd's scam. =0AZoyd's relationship with
> his daugh=
> ter. =0A=A0=0AThis land is ..............NOT the Vikings Vineland,
> not even=
> close to Mason & Dixon's land........=0A=0A=0A
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> =3D4>Creeping fig is an evergreen vine which attaches itself
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> od or metal masonry, making a delicate tracery of small heart shaped
> leaves=
> . This cultivar offers creamy white margins on the deep green
> foliage. In t=
> ime the stems can cover a lot of territory. Cut it to the ground
> occasional=
> ly to keep in bounds. Can grow in sun or shade, but prefers cooler
> environm=
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> ________</FONT></P>=0A<P><FONT
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> negative assoc=
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> Arial><FONT size=3D4>Now, this fecund VINE, with "the small
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> card tabl=
> e early </FONT></FONT><FONT face=3DArial><FONT size=3D4>in "Mason
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> ......................................................... ! .............................................................
> Tim Ware .. HyperArts .. 201 4th Street, Ste 404 .. Oakland CA 94607
> t: (510) 339-6084 .. f: (510) 339-6086 .. e: tim at hyperarts.com
> http://www.hyperarts.com
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