Forgiveness

[kelber at mindspring.com]

He means in this sense:

(p.28-29):
[Hector, speaking to Zoyd]:  "I won't aks you to grow up, but just sometime, please,aks yourself, OK, 'Who was saved?'  That's all, rill easy, 'Who was saved?'"

He's talking about Zoyd saving his friends from the narcs only for them to succumb to drugs or whatever.  Zoyd tries to turn it around on Hector and give it a Christian-like twist:  "You, Hector."

Hector's point is made at the end of A Scanner Darkly (film version, anyway.  Never read the book).  Also Jim Carroll's song People Who Died.

Zoyd's question to Frenesi, in flashback:
(p. 39):  "Frenesi, do you think love can save anybody?  You do, don't you?"

is more earnest than Hector's question.

Laura

-----Original Message-----
>From: malignd at aol.com

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>I realize you pleaded merlot, but I don't understand what you're asking.   What do you mean by "saved"?  Do you mean it in the biblical sense, or just in the sense of changing one's life?  If the former, I have no interest; if the latter, I'd say many things can save someone:  reflection, education, humility, a lack of humility, luck, mentorship, a bad experience, a good experience ...  
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>If not by love, can anyone be saved? Is there anything but
>love that can save someone? If so, what, and would it
>even be worth it? I think Z realizes that only love can save
>someone. It might not, given the vagaries of chance, but
>without it, there is no chance. The question is stupid because
>it's obvious.
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: Henry <scuffling at gmail.com>
>To: 'Pynchon Liste' <pynchon-l at waste.org>
>Sent: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 10:00 am
>Subject: Forgiveness
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>All that is required is forgiveness.  Isn't forgiveness a large issue within
>all of P-Lit, and can we or should we equate it with love?
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>Forgive me, Pynchon-Liste.  I know not what I do.
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>Henry Mu
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>-----Original Message-----
>From:  bandwraith 
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>Actually, and this may be the couple, three now, glasses of
>merlot talking, but I think that the question makes sense only
>if it is signal processed a bit, transformed, say:
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>If not by love, can anyone be saved? Is there anything but
>love that can save someone? If so, what, and20would it
>even be worth it? I think Z realizes that only love can save
>someone. It might not, given the vagaries of chance, but
>without it, there is no chance. The question is stupid because
>it's obvious.
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>-----Original Message------------
>From: Michael Bailey 
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>also the wedding question of Zoyd: "do you think love can save anyone?
> You do, don't you?"  - why is this a stupid question?
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