Forgiveness

[bandwraith at aol.com]

Sadly, I didn't finish the merlot, and am just now polishing
off the second half 'a liter. Even more sadly, I actually enjoy
the sligtly burnt, oxygenated taste of day old wine. It goes
better with the second course of today's meal: whole grain
O's with raisins and soymilk. The organic tomato sauce over
broccoli and whole wheat pasta with finely chopped tofu did
not quite do it, hence the O's. Cheers.

Basically, I was thinking of ultimates. After all is said and done-
what's left? What really matters? It's glaringly obvious. No one
gets saved, except for another chance to die. Only one way
affords salvation and it's not given, it's giving- the progressive
tense. No one is saved by someone else's love, except
someone else. Dope, booze, weed, acid, religion, eating, sex,
making a killing in the market, bludgeoning defenseless video
characters to oblivion, shooting game if that's your ticket- are
all well worn paths to satisfaction, fleeting as it may be, but
nothing beats loving. Ultimately, it's the only way out of an
otherwise meaniingless life, isn't it?

-----Original Message-----
From: malignd at aol.com
To: pynchon-l at waste.org
Sent: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 6:35 pm
Subject: Re: Forgiveness


I realize you pleaded merlot, but I don't understand what you're asking
What do you mean by "saved"? Do you mean it in the biblical sense, or
just in the sense of changing one's life? If the former, I have no 
interest;
if the latter, I'd say=2
0many things can save someone: reflection, 
education,
humility, a lack of humility, luck, mentorship, a bad experience, a 
good experience ... I ha

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If not by love, can anyone be saved? Is there anything but
love that can save someone? If so, what, and would it
even be worth it? I think Z realizes that only love can save
someone. It might not, given the vagaries of chance, but
without it, there is no chance. The question is stupid because
it's obvious.




-----Original Message-----
From: Henry <scuffling at gmail.com>
To: 'Pynchon Liste' <pynchon-l at waste.org>
Sent: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 10:00 am
Subject: Forgiveness



All that is required is forgiveness.  Isn't forgiveness a large issue 
within
all of P-Lit, and can we or should we equate it with love?

Forgive me, Pynchon-Liste.  I know not what I do.

Henry Mu
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-----Original Message-----
From:  bandwraith

Actually, and this may be the couple, three now, glasses of
merlot talking, but I think that the question makes sense only
if it is signal processed a bit, transformed, say:

If not by love, can anyone be saved? Is there anything but
love that can save someone? If so, what, and would it
even be worth it? I think Z realizes that only love can save
someone. It might not, gi
ven the vagaries of chance, but
without it, there is no chance. The question is stupid because
it's obvious.

-----Original Message------------
From: Michael Bailey

also the wedding question of Zoyd: "do you think love can save anyone?
 You do, don't you?"  - why is this a stupid question?




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