CoL49: Echo & Narcissus

Mark Kohut markekohut at yahoo.com
Sun Jan 27 15:51:52 CST 2008


Robin sends incredible "stuff"......see below

I want only to add, after reading the Echo and Narcissus myth AND Robin's theorists
of the psyche, that 
1) if we all need some naricssism to be healthy adults
2) rooms, such as the one Cyprian is take to in AtD, with no echo.............

is a wonderful way to hint at having one's spirits broken, one's healthy narcissism
destroyed, one's yearning for "love'.............being destroyed by this system......

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From: "robinlandseadel at comcast.net" <robinlandseadel at comcast.net>
To: P-list <pynchon-l at waste.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 3:54:31 PM
Subject: CoL49: Echo & Narcissus

          MK Ultra:
          CORRECTLY......she is away from her home when she 
          STAYS at Echo Courts....five uses in CoL49, check
          Amazon, Search Inside the book.
          So, her rooms at Echo Courts have an echo, we can infer?....

          San Narciso lay further south, near L.A. Like many 
          named places in California it was less an identifiable 
          city than a grouping of concepts - census tracts, special 
          purpose bond-issue districts, shopping nuclei, all 
          overlaid with access roads to its own freeway. But it 
          had been Pierce's domicile, and headquarters: the 
          place he'd begun his land speculating in ten years 
          ago, and so put down the plinth course of capital 
          on which everything afterward had been built, 
          however rickety or grotesque, toward the sky; 
          and that, she supposed, would set the spot apart, 
          give it an aura. But if there was any vital difference 
          between it and the rest of Southern California, it 
          was invisible on first glance.
          CoL49, 13/14

          In psychology and psychiatry, excessive narcissism 
          is recognized as a severe personality dysfunction or 
          personality disorder, most characteristically Narcissistic 
          personality disorder, also referred to as NPD.

          Sigmund Freud believed that some narcissism is an 
          essential part of all of us from birth and was the first 
          to use the term in the reference to psychology.

          Andrew Morrison claims that, in adults, a reasonable 
          amount of healthy narcissism allows the individual's 
          perception of his needs to be balanced in relation to 
          others.

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissism

          "That's me, that's me," cried Metzger, staring, "good God." 

          "Which one?" asked Oedipa. "That movie was called," Metzger 
          snapped his fingers, "Cashiered." 

          "About you and your mother." "About this kid and his father, 
          who's drummed out of the British Army for cowardice, only 
          he's covering up for a friend, see, and to redeem himself he 
          and the kid follow the old regiment to Gallipoli, where the father 
          somehow builds a midget submarine, and every week they slip 
          through the Dardanelles into the Sea of Marmara and torpedo 
          the Turkish merchantmen, the father, son, and St Bernard. The 
          dog sits on periscope watch, and barks if he sees anything." 

          Oedipa was pouring wine. "You're kidding." "Listen, listen, 
          here's where I sing." And sure enough, the child, and dog, 
          and a merry old Greek fisherman who had appeared from 
          nowhere with a zither. . . .[CoL49, 19]: 

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFz79SBnuk8

          Still, when she got a look at the next motel, she hesitated 
          a second. A representation in painted sheet metal of a 
          nymph holding a white blossom towered thirty feet into 
          the air; the sign, lit up despite the sun, said "Echo Courts." 
          The face of the nymph was much like Oedipa's, which 
          didn't startle her so much as a concealed blower system 
          that kept the nymph's gauze chiton in constant agitation, 
          revealing enormous vermilion-tipped breasts and long 
          pink thighs at each flap. She was smiling a lipsticked and 
          public smile, not quite a hooker's but nowhere near that 
          of any nymph pining away with love either. Oedipa pulled 
          into the lot, got out and stood for a moment in the hot sun 
          and the dead-still air, watching the artificial windstorm 
          overhead toss gauze in five-foot excursions. Remembering 
          her idea about a slow whirlwind, words she couldn't hear. 
          CoL49, 16

          One day when Narcissus was out hunting stags, Echo 
          stealthily followed the handsome youth through the 
          woods, longing to address him but unable to speak 
          first. When Narcissus finally heard footsteps and 
          shouted "Who's there?", Echo answered "Who's 
          there?" And so it went, until finally Echo showed 
          herself and rushed to embrace the lovely youth.

          He pulled away from the nymph and vainly told her 
          to get lost. Narcissus left Echo heartbroken and she 
          spent the rest of her life in lonely glens, pining away 
          for the love she never knew, until only her voice remained.

          http://thanasis.com/echo.htm

          Echo Personality Disorder
          Written by: Ganymede

          The term Echo Personality Disorder was coined by 
          British Psychosynthesis practitioner Patrick Hurst, as 
          a replacement term for 'Inverted Narcissism' and 'Covert 
          Narcissism' which later terms place unwarranted 
          emphasis on narcissistic qualities of the personality, 
          which in many of these individuals may not be a feature at all.

          EPD is a highly differentiated form of Dependent 
          Personality Disorder, marked by behaviours of 
          compliance and a need to 'mirror' significant others 
          -parents, spouse, friends, employer. Individuals with 
          EPD may be attracted to relationships with individuals 
          showing marked narcissistic traits -people who need to 
          be mirrored or praised- though this in no way forms a 
          "standard" or "universal pattern" as is often claimed by 
          theorists. EPD individuals may enter into relationships 
          with a great variety of people, though at core there is a 
          tendency to choose situations in which unrequited love 
          will be the outcome.
          http://www.planetpapers.com/Assets/4649.php

          Exhausted, hardly knowing what she was doing, she came 
          the last three steps and sat, took the man in her arms, 
          actually held him, gazing out of her smudged eyes down 
          the stairs, back into the morning. She felt wetness against 
          her breast and saw that he was crying again. He hardly 
          breathed but tears came as if being pumped. "I can't help," 
          she whispered, rocking him, "I can't help." It was already too 
          many miles to Fresno. 
          CoL49, 102

          (1958). International Journal of Psycho-Analysis, 39:188-190
          Maternal Narcissism and the Oedipus Complex
          Henry Harper Hart, M.D.
          It is a remarkable fact that the most commonplace phenomenon 
          often escapes our attention in our zeal for elaborate theories. 
          Such a commonplace is the normal mother's narcissistic 
          identification with and cathexis of her child, as part of her own 
          body, that she can adore. Freud (4) considered the mother-son 
          attachment as the least ambivalent of object relations. Not only is 
          this adoration vital for the mother, but more so for the child. 
          Mothers who reject their children as deformed and inferior bring 
          into existence neurotic and criminal personalities, or if they have 
          genius they may become Byrons, Schopenhauers, or Balzacs. 
          Renaissance art with unerring insight saw the mother-child unity 
          as adorable, as the source of bliss and security.

http://www.pep-web.org/document.php?id=ijp.039.0188a


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