atdtda: 31 - pg 881

Bekah Bekah0176 at sbcglobal.net
Fri May 2 19:42:56 CDT 2008 

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> From: Mark Kohut <markekohut at yahoo.com>
>
> I've gotta figure out TRPs overarching perspective on all this.
>
>
> From: Mark Kohut <markekohut at yahoo.com>
> Date: May 1, 2008 6:16:54 AM PDT
> To: Bekah <Bekah0176 at sbcglobal.net>
> Cc: pynchon -l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> Subject: Re: atdtda: 31 - pg 881
>
>
> I've gotta figure out TRPs overarching perspective on all this.
>
> It is consensus opinion, I would argue, that what comes out at  
> Carnevale is what has been repressed....all of that uninhibited  
> id......
>
> TRP more than hints at that with his riffs on Masks..."that deeper  
> intimacy with the unexpressed dreams of Masks"....and other words.
>
> And then there is the "counter-Carnevale".......Any metphoric  
> connection to GR's Counter-Force?......???
>
> What is going on here psychologically? or social-psychologically?   
> (We do know TRP has some deep ideas about psychological attitudes  
> and History, within History, doesn't he?  Always did, still does,  
> I'm sure...)
>
>
>
>
> Moving right along to the Carnesalve:
> 881.1  Cyprian is wearing a "black taffeta ball toilette" -   a  
> ball gown,  black taffeta  - the rest of his outfit is obviously  
> for a very sexy masked woman - not unlike Yashmeen.
> ************************
> 881. 4  Cyrian's face is  "framed by Signor Fabrizio's re-imagining  
> of Yashmeen's hair... "      re-imagining because she's had it cut  
> - because Cyprian is wearing it?
> ************************
> 881. 5  with  "seed pearls"   tiny round pearls - often imperfect
> in a Regency hairstyle see:   http://www.songsmyth.com/ 
> hairstyles.html   (scroll down to the 7th graphic)
> and "Parma violets" - Parma violets are widely believed to be  
> sterile, and there is much store laid by their reproduction through  
> cuttings.  [ ,]  French violet grower proved this belief to be a  
> myth, however, and with the right conditions any sturdy and content  
> violet could well produce a seed pod.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ 
> Parma_violet
> http://www.americanvioletsociety.org/Species_N_Cultivars/ 
> Parma.htm   ( photos of two kinds)
> ************************
> 881.7  "loggie"    plural of loggia - a roofed open corridor  
> overlooking an open court
> http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/loggie
> Loggia is the name given to an architectural feature, originally of  
> Italian design, which is often a gallery or corridor generally on  
> the ground level, or sometimes higher, on the facade of a building  
> and open to the air on one side, where it is supported by columns  
> or pierced openings in the wall.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loggia
> also - a graphic:  http://www.merriam-webster.com/art/dict/loggia.htm
> ************************
> 881.10  Reef is wearing a  "Pierrot costume"
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierrot
> ** But Reef's trousers must have been somewhat more confining than  
> those shown (his erection "threatened to dismantle" the trousers)   
> in that graphic,  so might I suggest:
> http://auguste.vestris.free.fr/Essays/Commedia.html   where the  
> pants are a bit smaller.   (That whole site is pretty interesting.)
> ** Otoh,  Reef may have humungous erections.    Interesting that  
> Reef is Pierrot because that's a mime, a  speechless character,  in  
> fantasy.  And a Pierrot costume is almost always white.   And this  
> costume for Reef was of Yashmeen's choosing.
> ************************
> 881.13-21  - Cyprian is about to make an assault on Reef then and  
> there but Yashmeen prevents it.   Reef doesn't do much to prevent  
> it.  His erection is bigger than ever, nipples sore,  etc.
> ************************
> 881. 23  "Yashmeen, in satin domino":     "satin domino"  is  
> usually an eye mask and not necessarily black.  One reference, NEW  
> YORK FANCY COSTUMES FOR 1869 gives an  alternative description (but  
> no picture): <http://www.victoriana.com/FancyDress/ 
> fancydresscostume.htm>
> "The handsomest dominoes are of satin or corded silk, pink, blue,  
> white, or black, trimmed with swan's-down or with lace. A satin  
> domino should be made of a good quality, or it soon becomes flimsy.  
> It should be sufficiently long to conceal the whole dress beneath.  
> An ingenious modiste makes a domino that can afterward be used as a  
> dress-skirt. It is merely the skirt of a gored, trained dress,  
> pleated into a broad yoke that covers the shoulders. Openings for  
> the arms are left in the side seams. The usual round cape and hood  
> is worn over this. We have seen this prettily made in blue satin  
> trimmed with a quilling of the same. A scarlet gros grain domino,  
> trimmed with ermine, has a large cape and a deeply-pointed hood in  
> the Arab fashion. A pretty domino that looks like a dress is made  
> of pink satin, with a short loose sacque and open sleeves worn over  
> the garment proper. The hood sacque and edge of the domino are  
> festooned with white lace headed by a ruche of satin. Costumers  
> make a rich satin domino trimmed with swan's-down for $60. The  
> expense of hiring for one evening is from $15 to $20.
> "Gentlemen wear dominoes this winter more than fancy dress. These  
> are made of black silk, untrimmed, and worn with a black mask. They  
> cost about $50. Coarser dominoes of woolen stuffs, usually of  
> Italian cloth, are inexpensive, costing only $2."
> Of course "domino" goes with "dominitrix" quite nicely
> And fwiw,  Reef in costume is white male,  Cyprian is black female  
> and Yashmeen is also in black but could be either male or female.
> *********
> 881. 23 ""Cyprian could scarcely breathe... mostly from Reef's  
> presence,  the dark energy just behind him."
> Reef,  dressed in white, is still a "dark energy."
> *********
> 881.31   Yashmeen is directing the three of them toward a more  
> private place.  "They had never been all together quite like this  
> till now, the proceedings had been limited to the two heterosexual  
> legs of the triangle."
> And now the triangle will be complete.  This is a full triangle  
> unlike the  Lake/Deuce/Sloat triangle which was always incomplete.
> Pythagorian triangles,  sexual triangles,  political triangles,   
> Trinity,  etc.   Triangles have multiple meanings, very symbolic  
> but in this case,  of what?  Anything?
> http://www.symbols.com/encyclopedia/28/281.html
> or   http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_symbolism_of_a_triangle
> The father, the mother and the son
> The Father the Son and the Holy Spirit
> The male, the female and the creative power
> The sky, the earth and the living creatures
> The union of two that creates the third
> The perfect union when two become one
> The prayer elevated from all Earth to the one God
> The power of the One to become All
> Each moment of Life where you can take two decisions or ways
>
> *******************
> 881.32-36 -  Cyprian ponders the outcome of this move and wonders  
> if he will "be able to bear the humiliation."  "He did not dare to  
> hope."  (He's trying not to look forward too much to the pain.)
> * Cyprian,  in a really perverse way,  is trying to extinguish  
> himself.  He longs for humiliation and pain in order to transcend  
> it spiritually.  Ever since he came back to Venice looking for  
> Theign/Jasmine he has been undergoing this transformation.   Maybe  
> prior to that.
> ***********************
> 881.37  Yashmeen leads  Reef and Cyprian to an "upper room."
> An "upper room" is mentioned several times in the Bible but the  
> traditional use of the term refers to the room of the Last  
> Supper,   Mark 14.15.
> (KJV)  "And he will shew you a large upper room furnished and  
> prepared: there make ready for us."
>  - The Last Supper, according to the Gospel of John occurred the  
> night prior to Jesus' death - Thursday night.   In AtD  story time  
> this is all happening on Holy Saturday/Easter Sunday,  1908 or 09  
> (or so)  except it seems the trio has traveled beyond time.)
>
> ***********************
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