AtD, naming

[Ian Livingston]

My toes don't hurt.  You musta missed 'em.  In fact I agree that you seem to
have opened a valuable dialog.  Thank you for that.  I didn't connect with
Wittgenstein, but I'm not as bright as OBA.  I had to drive myself to get
through the Tractatus and left without any great fondness for the
experience.  But then I know folks who'd say the same about reading Plato, a
pursuit I dug completely.  One man's ceiling and all that, I s'pose.  I
absolutely agree that naming is very important throughout.
I hope your toes are okay, too.
-i

On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 6:14 PM, Page <page at quesnelbc.com> wrote:

> I meant that I started the Wittgenstein part of the thread. I ought to have
> written "which is where I began." Limiting the thread to W. was not my
> intent, and I don't think I can fairly be accused of doing so. It simply
> seems to me one of many interesting, and rich, topics vis a vis TRP, and
> more so since we know TRP was influenced by W. Naming in the Tractatus is
> important for TRP, particularly in V., and I think the theme runs
> throughout.
>
> It is quite true that you and others have ranged more widely than I have
> and the discussion is far better for it. Apparently I have stepped on your
> toes, and possibly other people's toes as well. I did not mean to, nor did I
> do it from a brazen lack of care.
>
> Page
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Morris" <fqmorris at gmail.com>
> To: "Page" <page at quesnelbc.com>
> Cc: "Bryan Snyder" <wilsonistrey at gmail.com>; "Ian Livingston" <
> igrlivingston at gmail.com>; <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 2:17 PM
> Subject: Re: AtD, naming
>
>
>
>  No, we didn't start this "naming" thread with Wittgenstein.  You
>> brought that to the table.
>>
>> This thread started when Bekah asked:  "Is there something about
>> naming or not naming that's important?"  Mark then mentioned Genesis.
>> You brought up metaphors.  Then you brought up Tractatus.  Only you
>> have tried to limit this thread to the Tractatus (but even you admit
>> at the start that Pynchon is not "copying" the ideas of the
>> Tractatus).  Others, including me, have bee much more liberal in our
>> rangings.
>>
>> David Morris
>>
>> On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 7:58 PM, Page <page at quesnelbc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I must respectfully disagree about what can be said and what cannot be
>>> said. In the Wittgensteinian sense (which is where we started), there are
>>> many things which cannot be said.
>>>
>>
>>
>
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